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X-Mas Present -- Dishwasher

anneelsberry's picture

I'm so excited. My present from my folks is going to be a dishwasher that my kids can load without me having to nag about scrubbing the dishes first. Anyone have any suggestions in the under $500 category? With all the mergers in the kitchen appliance industry, its hard to keep track of who makes what.

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Somebody put a stop payment on my reality check!

Gretchen's picture

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KitchenAid

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Jean's picture

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Mine is a whirlpool. I was delighted this past week to see the GKs loading without "washing" them first. Finally getting them  trained that it's not necessary! Now if I could get DH to stop throwing everything in the sink! AAarrgghhh.























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Ozark's picture

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Just my two cents worth. Do not get the new low energy style ones that don't have a heater but use the heat generated from the water/washing cycle to dry the dishes. Works great if you don't mind waiting two days. Hate my Bosch and love my Whirlpool with the heating element.

 

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ellengst's picture

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When we bought ours, two years ago, Maytag was well-rated by Consumer Reports. I think they said it was noisy (true) but, I remember that all were noisy, unless expensive or unless they sacrificed effective cleaning. Our old house has separate kitchen, dining and living rooms, rather than a great room like newer houses, so we preferred to get effective cleaning rather than quiet operation. We bought ours at Sears, and have been happy with it.

Ellen

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Gretchen's picture

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When we bought ours, two years ago, Maytag was well-rated by Consumer Reports. I think they said it was noisy (true) but, I remember that all were noisy, unless expensive or unless they sacrificed effective cleaning.


I got  a new KA 7 years ago and can stand right next to it and almost not hear it. And it cleans well.


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ellengst's picture

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I think something in the technology or manufacture of dishwashers changed after you bought yours and before we bought ours. I remember reading that a lot of them are noisy. It's mostly the noise of water sloshing and a little engine noise - I don't find it bothersome unless I'm right next to it trying to talk on the phone.

 

I will try to find the consumers report and refresh my memory, for Pomona, but have a few priorities ahead of that - so might not get to it until early next week.

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dixie1's picture

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 Maytag was well-rated by Consumer Reports. I think they said it was noisy (true) but, I remember that all were noisy,


Maybe noisy is a realtive term here. I have a Maytag, cleans great and any noise coming from it is not noticeable at all. I never hear mine, but I do not listen for it either.

ellengst's picture

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I'm sure noisy is a relative term. Many of the high end dishwashers are very silent! My Maytag makes noise, but I have no problem having a conversation next to it. I just can't have a phone conversation next to it, but that's partly related to ears that don't work as well as they used to.

Ellen

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Jean's picture

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I can run my Whirlpool while we are playing cards at the table right next to it. Even my too rich friend who has the best of everything commented on how quiet it is.









And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  
Luke 2:10 

A  clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
help to provide free mammograms for women in need
assibams's picture

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I have a Bosch (which is the same as Siemens and Neff) and truly love it! It is built in, with a cabinet door and since the controls are on the top of the door it is invisible when closed. I never prerinse any plates. The dishwasher is very quiet, my mom opened it more than once during a cycle, because she can't hear it run. The only audible noise is a very quiet 'whoosh' at the beginning of the cycle. And the beeper that announces the end of the cycle can be turned off or adjusted in volume. Since it has a display it is very easy to program and start, even for younger kids.


Another really cool feature is that the upper rack can be lowered or raised even when it is already loaded. Energy efficient and low water consumption are the other selling points for me. Depending on how dirty the dishes are it only uses 3 gallons of water per cycle. I am not sure how it dries the dishes (there are no visible heating coils), but a complete automatic cycle for dirtier dishes takes around 1hr20min.

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TessaK's picture

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I think we have the same Bosch you do (except I didn't know lowering the rack, so maybe not quite the same). It dries without coils and it never bothers me that it takes long, since we usually run it during the night anyway. Superquiet, gotta love that, but we do think we got a lemon. We've been trying to get Bosch USA to replace it, but so far no dice.

assibams's picture

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Check your top rack to see if it has levers on each side. If you push them towards the rack you can lower it to the other setting. To raise push the levers and pull the rack up.


What's wrong with yours?

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."
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TessaK's picture

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I'll have to look when I get home. Ours is three years old and quit working 4 or 5 times now. One of these times was reasonable (it had been sitting in our garage for 6 months until we remodeled the kitchen in our new house, we moved it from our previous house), the rest was not. It has something to do with an inlet valve thingy that gets tripped to 'do not let water in' state for no reason. Very very annoying, it was an expensive appliance.


I do believe though that we just had bad luck, and that Bosch does make good appliances in general. My parents used to refer to these as 'monday morning models', meaning they were manufactured when the workers weren't quite ready for the new week yet. :)

assibams's picture

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Montagsgerät in German (means the same thing). Hmmm, I always was under the impression that that inlet valve thing was part of the hose - you know the thick, square part on one end. My mom's dishwasher had some problems also (similar to yours, wouldn't draw water) until they had a little metal mesh filter in the hose (or was it part of the faucet the dishwasher was hooked up to?) replaced. Now the machine works just fine - but of course it took the technician several trips to find out the problem...

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."
Herm Albright

Wolvie's picture

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did they replace the filter due to clogging?


Tessa, I'd get that checked - I know that on well water sometimes there is quite a bit of grit (not detectable to use, but if you have a filter, it will build up over time and cause a problem) the best way to combat this issue is to install a whole house filter, the one that does grit only cost me around 375 bucks installed in MA. Very easy to use, and saved a lot of wear on appliances. ( washers have these filters, fridges, etc)


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gjander's picture

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The problem with our Bosch has actually been due to a number of causes.  The first was a bad pump, which they replaced.


Once or twice the problem was caused by a float valve that had somehow been activated.  This valve is designed to close when water is not draining properly to prevent flooding.  The last technician speculated this might be because they did not loop the drain hose up so that it's highest point was higher than the drain in the sink.  This would prevent standing water in the sink from running back into the dishwasher.  Hmm, maybe, but I'm skeptical.


A third problem was a faulty inlet valve that they replaced recently.  At least we assume it was faulty.  The dishwasher was not working, he replaced the inlet valve and then it did work--for a while.


The next time it didn't work the technician came out, I showed him the problem, went to take a phone call and when I came back it was working.  He said he just canceled the cycle and restarted it but I swear that I tried that several times.


And then there was the time it was in storage in the garage for six months and didn't get water when we hooked it back up.  The technician that time said he 'massaged the motor' and it worked okay.  Seventy-five dollars later.


To Bosch's credit, they have fixed all these problems (except the massaging thing) under warranty even after it had expired.  On the negative side, dealing with their customer service department has been frustrating, and the average repair time is something like five days so it is not convienent when it goes out.  We do like it very much when it does work.


That's the Bosch saga.


Gary

Wolvie's picture

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"massaged the motor" ?  Oh boy. I am laughing, but I feel your pain. ;-)

"So beautifully arranged on the plate - you know someone's fingers have been all over it."
Julia Child

 

Wolvie's picture

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Just for giggles, I'd still check that mesh filter. If all that other stuff is going on, this might be an issue too. Of course, I'd wait to do that until you call them out for a malfunction again. That way the trip might be warranty clad.

"So beautifully arranged on the plate - you know someone's fingers have been all over it."
Julia Child

 

gjander's picture

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Yeah, I had a chuckle about the "massaging" thing too but since my dishwasher was working and the guy needed to be paid something for his time I didn't see the point in questioning it.  The mesh filter is part of the inlet valve so it was replaced when they replaced that.  I kept the old one around intending to open it up and have a look at the filter but haven't gotten around to it yet. 

assibams's picture

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Yes, their filter (not inside the dishwasher) was clogged, probably from  particles set free during the time the city worked on the pipes in their street. But try proving that to officials ;-) At least it did not cost them too much, since the tech is a friend of theirs - yes, it does help to live in a smallish city for a long time.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."
Herm Albright

Gretchen's picture

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Another really cool feature is that the upper rack can be lowered or raised even when it is already loaded


My KA can do that.


Gretchen
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MER02's picture

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I thought that Kitchen Aid was bought by Maytag. Aren't they basically the same?

Gretchen's picture

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KA was bought by Whirlpool.  But I would guess that the KA dishwashers are still KA. Their fridges and stoves are Whirlpool with KA label.

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ehBeth's picture

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My parents got  me a Kenmore Ultrawash from Sears about 3 - 4 years ago. It's got their Active QuietGuard System - and it is quiet - I sometimes have to put my hand on it to tell it's actually operating. Cleans like a dream - does the heating internally.  My mother compares it favourably with the 4x as expensive dishwasher (Miele, as I recall) my dad got her when they last re-did their kitchen.


The joy of SearsClub points!  In January they're getting me a new fridge with their next batch of Sears points - those trips they take are paying off for me (well, not just me - they got a big screen t.v. and a leather recliner for my dad with points this year). 


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DanMetzcus's picture

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My stainless Bosch has been in trouble free service for about a 2 years. It is very quite, competent, has convenient wash cycles (the quick wash cycle is, well, just that, very quick), and aesthetically pleasing with the rest of our kitchen. I shopped locally a found this one for under $500.

Good Luck.


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Fledge's picture

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The first time I used every appliance in my kitchen I was bobarded with beepings.


The oven, the microwave, the dishwasher, the phone ringing...both cell and land line.


I just stood in the middle of the kitchen turning in circles.


I had a moment of "where the hell am I?"


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assibams's picture

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http://www.boschappliances.com/2003_dev/4321_4194.asp


This is the one I have, I paid around $600 for it. Have had it for a year now and it works like a charm. However, since I do not prerinse or scrub any plates, I mostly use one of the auto-cycles. My old dishwasher took at least 30 minutes longer to complete a cycle.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."
Herm Albright

MER02's picture

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Do you have an appliance shop that you trust? I have a wonderful one in Atlanta that has sold to me open box models or floor models that have been reduced quite a bit. My stove for example was used at a major Home Show at the convention center and while it was never hooked up or turned on, people were able to touch it and open up the oven door etc. It was about 30% off which allowed us to buy this model. We would never have bought it at full price.