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There's a light at the end of the tunnel

MadMom's picture

There's a light at the end of the tunnel (post #55273)

...of course, it may be a speeding train!  At any rate, the floor guy should be finished tomorrow, and the countertops and sink have been installed, and we ripped out one wall of the sun room, framed it in, and replaced two sliding glass doors with one set of French doors.  Tomorrow, the contractor should come in to rip out the rest of the "pickled oak' paneling and replace it all with dry wall.  We ran into a minor problem when installing the faucet...it was so high that it bumped into the window sill, so my cabinet guy came by and took that out.  He will cut it down and replace it tomorrow.  Another slight problem...when the countertop guy made the countertops, he put in about 1/8" to 1/4" overhang where the stove goes.  Of course, I just had room for the stove, so now I have to get them cut down so the stove will fit.  Supposedly the cabinet guy can do that.  I love the sink.  Love the faucet.  Love the countertops.  They even make my old cabinets look good.  Now I have to figure out what kind of tile to put up for a backsplash (the tile guy is coming by tomorrow evening) and what color I'm going to paint the walls.  Also have to pick out new hardware to replace what is on the cabinets now.  So, it's far from finished, but we've accomplished a lot.


Oh yes, I gave in to Willie Ray, who was insisting he wanted a dishwasher installed NOW!  We got the KA from our appliance guy, who knocked $200 off it, which I thought was reasonable, considering all the aggravation they've caused us.  He also called today, Sunday, to tell me he woiuld send someone over tomorrow morning to rip out the disposal (which is evidently a bad unit) and replace it with a new one.  Never a dull moment.  At least I've moved all the crystal back into the dining room, so we can actually eat in the breakfast room.  I'll attach some pictures.




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Edited 7/30/2006 8:46 pm by MadMom

helena's picture

(post #55273, reply #139 of 185)

It looks *fabulous*. Wow, what a difference!

Gary's picture

(post #55273, reply #129 of 185)

Now that you have been through another remodel, I can consider you an expert. What I want to know is what are your secrets for getting good quality workers to install it all? I would like to renovate my kitchen, but I have no idea, other than pick up the yellow pages, how to get good help.

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MadMom's picture

(post #55273, reply #136 of 185)

I sometimes think I was just plain lucky.  DH wanted to hire a general contractor, but the cost of that just frightened me.  I talked to about half a dozen cabinet people when I was thinking of redoing everything, and really liked one of them (although I wasn't too crazy about his cabinets.)  I ended up using him as sort of a GC.  He was responsible for the countertops, he ripped out the old cabinets which needed to go, he stained the remaining ones where they needed it, he got a contractor to put up the hood for me and redo the breakfast room walls and the electrician to rewire all the lights, and his total bill was $225 - best money I ever spent!



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Adele's picture

(post #55273, reply #130 of 185)

What a difference!  Looking really good.  Are you going to do the mustardy yellow for the paint? 

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

MadMom's picture

(post #55273, reply #137 of 185)

I'm going with one of the tile colors, which is sort of a taupe, but pale.  I think it will brighten things up, and it goes well with the color in the dining room and in the den, which abut the kitchen.  I'll use the same color in the breakfast room/sun room. 



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CulinaryArtist's picture

(post #55273, reply #138 of 185)

Sounds like it's the perfect choice!  Your colors are very rich looking!

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CulinaryArtist's picture

(post #55273, reply #133 of 185)

Fantastic, looks wonderful and I agree that the cabinets look so much richer with your colors than they did ala country!  With new sleek hardware they'll be perfect.  Are you taking the wall color from one of the tile colors in the backsplash??  You certainly have excellent taste and it's always great when it turns out better than you might have expected.  Enjoy it!  One suggestion I have for you and that is to turn the knives on your magnetic holder with blades pointing down, I did that also as I have things to reach for above the strip and was constantly knocking into the blades!  With them turned down it did take a little while to learn how to reach for the handles but it's safer.  Of course just MHO!

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Adele's picture

(post #55273, reply #134 of 185)

I have mine up, but I don't have anything above them.  Probably need stitches if I changed them around. :)

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

MadMom's picture

(post #55273, reply #135 of 185)

Hmmm...I wonder if it would be more dangerous to try to teach this old dog new tricks?  Actually, the things above hang from the top, so if I were reaching for them, would reach far away from the knives, so I don't think that will be a problem, but will think about it.  Thanks for the suggestion.



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Wolvie's picture

(post #55273, reply #140 of 185)

looks very nice. I'm sure you'll be much happier. :-)

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Tuck's picture

(post #55273, reply #150 of 185)

It's great when everything turns out the way we want them to.  Looks very nice and quite different than the original kitchen.  Amazing how changing a few things perks up everything.


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JaneRose's picture

(post #55273, reply #151 of 185)

Really beautiful. You are going to have so much fun in that kitchen.

NanaC's picture

(post #55273, reply #152 of 185)

Wow, MM, that kitchen is turning out so beautifully!  I know you will enjoy it for years.

Fran


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favorablyimpressed's picture

(post #55273, reply #154 of 185)

Wow! You're doing a great job with this kitchen. The blacksplash has really pulls everything together.

MadMom's picture

(post #55273, reply #155 of 185)

Thank you.  I just love the backsplash.  Funny how different people like different things, but I'm a very monochromatic person.  The paint will be part of the same family, sort of a light taupe.  Handles and pulls are supposed to be delivered today, so will put them on.  Unfortunately, the guy who was supposed to tape and bed the breakfast room walls won't start until the end of this week, and it should take him a week, so painting will be delayed until he finishes that.  It's always something, right? 


I checked with the island people, and they checked with Catskill, and supposedly the island should be shipped soon.  I hope so.  I'll really pull things out of boxes when that gets here.  Might take someone's advice and put the pot rack up first, but do hate to think of bumping into it whenever we walk by.  Of course, I could hang the pot rack and not put the pots onto it until the island arrives.  I'm still looking for a big hutch to store my wine and wine glasses in, but haven't found one.  Everything is either shorter or thinner...I want something the size of a regular china cabinet, but made with a top for wine bottles and glasses.  If anybody finds one, do send me a link!




Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

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Ricks503's picture

(post #55273, reply #156 of 185)

Or, put up the pot rack and then stack the boxes with the pots below it so you do not walk into the pot rack and have the boxes handy when the island does come in.


 


Just kidding!


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marie-louise's picture

(post #55273, reply #157 of 185)

It looks very good-you did a great job of making a beautiful kitchen without changing the cabinets. What a difference-and you saved a lot of $$$ by keeping the cabinets.

You have inspired me to start planning my own remodel. Again... we parted ways w/ the first contractor/ design team after I'd planned EVERYTHING. Now I'm glad we did, because I think they were steering me in directions I didn't want to go.

Mine will be colorful ;-)

NanaC's picture

(post #55273, reply #158 of 185)

I think they were steering me in directions I didn't want to go.


Doesn't it drive you nuts when they try to do that?  As if you don't know your own mind and preferences!


Fran


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MadMom's picture

(post #55273, reply #159 of 185)

I got rid of one "kitchen designer" who persisted in referring to me as "little lady" and commenting about how I wouldn't understand math.  He also insisted that everything I asked about "wouldn't look right".  I refrained from killing him, but did not buy anything from him.


I think the point that so many designers fail to understand is that just as each of us is an individual, our needs and wants are also individual.  I love a monochromatic color scheme, marie-louise wants her kitchen to be colorful.  Does this make either of us right or wrong?  Not to my way of thinking, merely different.  I'm afraid too many so-called designers are just trying to sell people on their ideas, rather than listening to what the people want. 




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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

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Aberwacky's picture

(post #55273, reply #160 of 185)

 I'm afraid too many so-called designers are just trying to sell people on their ideas, rather than listening to what the people want.


So, so true.  A friend has asked me to help her design her kitchen after getting frustrated with several "designers"  who wouldn't listen to her and kept telling her she wouldn't like what she wanted.


They have designed beautiful kitchens in very expensive homes, yes, but I doubt anyone really cooks in them. 


Leigh


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pamilyn's picture

(post #55273, reply #161 of 185)

I know what you mean. Our kitchen designers are also friends of mine and I also work for them as a "Kichenwarming Chef" They came up with a kitchen design that I liked but they want me to do something I don't want to do with the island. I wanted to slap her!! LOL She said you HAVE to do it this way!! I will fight that battle when we are ordering. She also said we HAVE to get a subzero. I said no way and she like went sort of balistic asking WHY I wouldn't want a subzero. I told her I wasn't going to spend $7000.00 for a refrigerator for this house. Then she starts telling me how they keep produce fresher for longer and I told her we buy our food on a daily basis and don't need to keep produce fresh for a week. Jeesh. I think she wants to submit this kitchen to subzero for a design contest!! No can do if you don't have a subzero...LOL...Oh well. I will stick to my guns and stand up for what I want. Kinda hard to fire freinds who are giving you a HUGE discount. Pamilyn

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marie-louise's picture

(post #55273, reply #168 of 185)

Yes, mine also pushed the Sub Zero. Not just any Sub Zero, but the one that's so small you have to buy seperate freezer drawers (for an additional $3000). there's a cheaper one but she didn't like it as well because it wasn't totoally integrated. They ARE nice refrigerators but I'm still on the fence about them. My main complaint is that the freezers are so small & low, plus only the huge ones come w/ ice and water in the door (which she sneered at big time). So, of course I was going to have buy a water filtration system & faucet for the sink (another $1000. installed) if I still wanted my new $ 5000 refrigerator to do the same think as my old $1500 side-by-side. Only in America would you pay thousands of dollars to make your kitchen look like you had no refrigerator [or dishwasher] at all!

She also kept pushing those farmhouse sinks. I like how they look, but that meant they had to build a new cabinet. All I really wanted was a plain undermount sink, and she couldn't figure out how to install it & get the faucets in there in a normal depth counter.

I have a big chopping block table (it's 30x60) as an island. I'm taking out a 12 inches of the adjoining elevated breakfast nook so I could move it back some. (I'm having a new one made, this one is falling apart.) My thinking was to make it deeper, but she insisted that I make a wider walkway. I told her I liked having it close to my stove so I could pivot from chopping block to stove. She kept persisting, saying that as a designer, she knew better. (It's currrently 36 to 39 inches from the counter/ stove/ sink/ fridge.)

Marcia's picture

(post #55273, reply #169 of 185)

And how long did it take you to part with this designer? Your experience with her sounds like a nightmare, and I hope she had some redeeming qualities, for your sake as well as the sake of her other clients.


The designer must need malleable clients with unlimited funds, who either don't cook or don't know their own minds. Obviously not suitable for you.

marie-louise's picture

(post #55273, reply #170 of 185)

A few months. I was in post-graduate school, so planning my kitchen was a great distraction for study breaks. I kept thinking I was being too critical of her because I was so stressed-out about school. Then I saw the light!

They are a long-established, well-respected design/ build company-and do beautiful work. (She married into the business.) She was pretty lazy-didn't want to do anything out of her usual. She was completely opposite of most architects I know, who love to design things they've never done before. I kept thinking if I could just tolerate her long enough to get the plans I wanted, they would build me a beautiful kitchen.

Now I'm in the process of deciding what I want on my own. I'm not even going to look for a contractor until I have everything picked out. At this point in my life, I think I know better about how I like to cook than anyone else.

I'm thinking about Crown Point cabinets, either in oak or painted. (I live in a new Craftsman home w/ fir windows, ceilings, built-ins, and floors, and I have a lot of oak furniture.) They aren't cheap, but fortunately, my kitchen is small. http://www.crown-point.com/


Edited 8/10/2006 9:42 am by marie-louise

Ricks503's picture

(post #55273, reply #171 of 185)

If the cabinets are not cheap, you might want to talk to a local cabinet maker and see what custom built would cost.  You can get exactly what you want, in the configuration you want, at the depth & height you want.  And it might not be much more than "high end" mass produced cabinets.

1 - measure the board twice, 2 - cut it once, 3 - measure the space where it is supposed to go        4 - get a new board and go back to step 1

 

 

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CBirck's picture

(post #55273, reply #172 of 185)

When I built our house 4 years ago I had been told, and was astounded to find out that it was true, my custom cabinets were less expensive, and a many times better than "off the rack" cabinets.  I got exactly what I wanted and the quality was better.

marie-louise's picture

(post #55273, reply #174 of 185)

It is often true, except that you have to have exact drawings for them to work with. That costs a lot of money, plus I'm too burned out from my last experience w/ a kitchen designer to go through that again. I'd rather just work directly w/ the company's designer and say-the door on page 4 w/ the design on page 12, etc... Then hire a great contractor to organize all the steps and coordinate all the tradesmen.

Aberwacky's picture

(post #55273, reply #176 of 185)

I didn't have to have exact drawings for my cabinet maker--we sat down and discussed what I wanted, I looked at the door styles he offered, picked one, he came out and took measurements, prepared the drawings, we corrected a few things and he built the cabs.


Unless your heart is just set on the crownpoint cabs, consider custom.  I had an odd space (building around timbers in a timberframe), and was able to get pretty much what I wanted--wood, style, size, configuration, etc. 


I found that dealing with the pre-manufactured companies very frustrating.  My options were too limiting. 


Leigh


 


 


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Jean's picture

(post #55273, reply #177 of 185)

I was happy with our Amish built customs too. They did exacting work, especially having to build them into an old house with nary a plumb line to be found.



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Aberwacky's picture

(post #55273, reply #178 of 185)

Yes, I think retrofitting is really where custom cabinets can shine--you don't have to worry about odd sizes.  In fact, they can turn into a feature! My 8" wide, three-door high sheet pan cabinet next to the oven cabinet comes to mind.  It sits in front of a post, and so had to be a special depth in order to match the depth of the oven cabinet.  I couldn't have filled the space with standard cabs, but my guy was able to build it to seamlessly blend in with the wall oven cab.


I use that cabinet ALL the time--so handy to have the sheet pans, racks, etc. right there next to the oven!


Leigh


Bacteria is the only culture some people have.

"Happiness does not depend on outward things, but on the way we see them." 
-Leo Tolstoy