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CLS's picture

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Has anyone had any experience with the stove, refrigerator, oven and dishwashers? Specifically, the "Pro-Series" stainless steel line. I am very happy with my small appliances from that company.

nihon_no_cook's picture

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Hmm, and here one of our friends has been scrupulously picking out all of the seeds in her fruit into a separate pile from the rinds, so she won't contaminate her compost. Silly person!

The hot pile you have sounds like one I saw in a catalog, where you can buy the metal posts for the corner, and supply your own 1x6's for in between. Do you use any accelerant in your hot pile? I've seen it for sale in the same catalogs I see the bins, but I'm not sure if I really need it. I'd like to have some compost ready to use in a year or so - is that an unreasonable expectation?

I definitely plan to use lawn clippings in the compost - DH will be so happy!

Nancy_G.'s picture

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I've used both enclosed compost bins and open piles and have had the same results with both methods. The open bins are easy. For the open bins we bought 4 metal posts and wrapped three sides with chicken wire, then just piled stuff in. One of the secrets to making it work faster is to layer your compost. You can't stack in 5 bags of grass clippings and expect it to do much. You need to layer, say a couple inches of grass, then some dried leaves, then kitchen scraps. If you want to kick start your compost, get the cat litter called Litter Green (it's basically alfalfa), it's the same as using those pricey compost starters. You do have to remember to stir it. Here in Colorado we have to water our compost but back east you might have the opposite problem and need to cover it up. You know, the best thing would be to contact the Cooperative Extension Program through your state's Ag school. They'll have tons of free information specific to your area.

aussiechef's picture

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Yep it's a whopper (and it's 7 1/2 " deep) and it was the double sink that cost about $600 --- BUT it doesn't look overwhelming because of our countertop. I didn't like all the teensy little 24" counters you have in America, so I had them and the cabinets extended outwards. It's 30" wall to front.

The contractors tried to talk me out of it at first, but now they talk all their customers
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it. The process is called "furring out" - the cabinets are still the standard size (unless you go with custom cabinetry) so there's 6" space between them and the wall under the countertop, but no-one sees that. I think the "furring" is the wood they use to hold up the countertop between cabinets and wall. Is this all gobbledegook? Anyway, I highly recommend it, especially for small kitchens where countertop space is precious. It doesn't cost any more than the extra countertop.

sanderson_'s picture

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We acquired a composting ball...its about 5' diameter. The idea is to put stuff into it and roll it around the yard to mix and aerate. Mostly it works but at times it gets too heavy to roll but then you just take a lower pannel out and unload the black gold.

CLS's picture

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I want a 6 burner cooktop, oven seperate preferably, but could be flexible there if I have to be. I want the higher BTU's. In an ideal world I'd be able to remove one of the grills and set my wok on it (gift from dear old Mom - hand made steel wok from her trip to China 30 or 40 years ago). I want stainless steel for durability/cleanliness purposes. Figured I'd spend about 4k for it. But like I said, Kitchenaid has some sort of deal where if you purchase all three SS pro-line pieces, stove/oven, fridge and dishwasher they give you a substantial discount, something in the range of 5-6 thousand for all. I could live with that,
b if
their product is worth it. I'm going to have these appliances for a very, very long time. I want to get the most bang for the buck...

CLS's picture

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I keep a compost container in the kitchen to collect material in. DH has his own compost pile near the garden. Chicken wire frame on a base made from untreated dimensional lumber and more very fine chicken wire - made it himself. He gets very excited ever spring when he is able to "feed" the garden with his own "dirt". He's so cute...

CLS's picture

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7 1/2" deep! My Lord, that's huge! I think I'm in love! For only $600? That seems rather reasonable to me for the size sinks undermounted that you say.

And you know, I was also playing around with extending the width of my countertops. 24" is wimpy, for me. I like to have lots of space. I was considering bumping out to 27" but if you did 30" and it's working, I will have to play around with that. How tall are you? That actually plays into the kitchen dimensions; most people never think about it. I'm fairly short - 5'4, so alot of kitchen cabinets are just a little taller than is comfortable for me. I was going to have them shortenened a bit, at least the areas where I do most cutting and rolling. So if you are about the same size as me how is it reaching to the back of those counters? Comfortable, or a stretch?

Aussie, sounds like you have some great ideas in your kitchen, things I would really be able to find useful. Tell me more...

aussiechef's picture

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"Tell me more", she says, innocently. My god, I could go dribble on forever - I love designing kitchens and did two more for friends.

I'm same height as you, but the normal countertop height is just a
i little
too high for things like kneading bread dough, so there are three heights on my island.
*One is called "bar height" which is where people stand & lean and make hungry food noises and is strategically placed on one side & end of the counter to shoo them out of the way,
* second (most) is normal whatever-it-is height,
* last is "vanity" height - a step down. (Called vanity because it's a bathroom cabinet underneath the countertop). I needed this short height also because I teach groups of kids cooking in my kitchen, and it's just right for them.

By the way, the entire kitchen came in under $30,000 because I used stock cabinets for everything except one part where there is open space under the counter. That had to be custom made. The granite cost more than the cabinets. The granite cost more than
i anything.

Because space is limited, I took the cabinets right up to the ceiling, then had to have a pull-out step ladder attached to the inside of one lower cabinet door, so that I can reach what's up there.

The brand of cabinetry is Omega - they made the high end stuff as well as the stock stuff under a different name in hardware stores. Don't know whether they are still in business but I'm really happy with the way the wood (maple) is holding up.

Let me know if there's anything else.....

CLS's picture

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Yes, exactly! I was going to have portions of the cabinets lowered just by an inch or so, like the butcherblock and the pastry center, anywhere I have to get my elbows over the counter. I like the idea of (3) seperate sections. And I saw the ladder thing on This Old House, when they re-did that San Francisco church. Fell in love and determined to do the same becaue I, too, have a space problem and want cabinets up to the ceiling.

Now, I am planning on concrete countertops. Already seen it and I love it - looks just like soapstone, cheaper than granite. But what did you do about appliances? Did you do a seperate cooktop from oven, or both together? How do you like your choice? And what brands did you do? My budget is probably going to be more like 35K only because I have to remove about 3 walls (I'm incorporating an old bathroom and a hallway into the kitchen to stretch my space) and removing walls is extremely expensive.

I just want more function, you know? With low maintenance. If I could I'd slope the floor down to a central drain and just hose the place down, but since the kitchen will be open to the living/dining area, that probably isn't such a good idea!

Wolverine's picture

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No, I don't use a starter, just layer the stuff, keep it slightly moist, stir it once in awhile, and it will take off.

Wolverine's picture

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Now I just stack stuff on in the open pile, wait a year, and viola - black gold! I do that because my garden is 65 x 70 and has too much stuff for me to put in a hot pile. I also have about two acres of oak trees - you can imagine the LEAVES! But, I leave them unraked in the fall ( natural mulch ) then remove them in spring to that big ole pile, etc., etc.....:-)

aussiechef's picture

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Funny that you mentioned a sloping floor - that's what they do in other places in the world. Makes cleaning a breeze. But you have to get used to the floor - much like ballet dancers have to get used to a raked stage in Europe where they are tilted towards the audience!

As for appliances - I think you can get more valuable info from others on this board who have remodelled more recently. Overall, I'd say that I was surprised that what really made the kitchen work had little to do with appliances but much to do with layout. I'll email you in the next few days with details on the theory behind where I placed things and what is good about it. But I have to hare off to a
Dia de Los Muertos celebration (Mexican Day of the Dead)now...

Wolverine's picture

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Ooooh! did you make any of those sugar skulls? I only went into Mexico once in Oct for the festival - great time!

CLS's picture

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I will look forward to it. It seems that you have the same ideas for the kitchen as me - function first, form second. I want the kitchen to be a place that more than one person can work; I love communal cooking. Rough calculations say that the dimentions will be 9'6" x 16' 8". That's after I take out the walls I need to take out.

aussiechef's picture

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Yes there were sugar skull cookies plus all sorts of things I've never seen before. Great festival - we thought it a bit gruesome until we understood what it was all about. The mamas (not the papas) were very competitive with their cooking skills, which made a glorious potluck!

aussiechef's picture

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So
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why there's the disposal in the smaller sink. May be outdated these days with the newer dishwashers which practially beg people not to clean the dishes before putting them in the DW. They need stuff to clean, otherwise your dishes start deteriorating. I didn't need telling twice believe me. They go in grunge and all.

nihon_no_cook's picture

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Sounds similar to the top contender in the "which compost setup to buy from a catalog" race, which is a cylinder on a base, and can rotate around one axis. Looks tidy, and supposedly the fact that it is enclosed with some vents means it cooks faster (don't know about that, but hey, it's worth a try).

Thanks, everyone, for your input - I'll take it all into consideration!

Chiffonade_'s picture

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i Good Morning America
is doing something they are calling "The Ultimate Consumer Test" (or something like that) and today they rated dishwashers.

I happened to notice that the #1 rated one was a Sear's Maytag, model 1595, retailing for $600. There was a Maytag Model that was a real dog, but it was about $200 and you basically had to wash the dishes before loading to have it be effective.

Thought you might like to know.

aussiechef's picture

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Did try your two email addresses...

How about you email me and I'll just hit the reply button.

Over.

Wolverine's picture

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Hey CLS

for price comparison try www.homeportfolio.com

Has all kinds of appliances, etc.

Grrrr... sometimes the link works, sometimes it doesn't!

Lemon*'s picture

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I have a Franke double sinke (that I love) and a Grohe faucet -- bought a matching Grohe soap dispenser at the same time. They all go in a granite counter. The granite around the soap dispenser began staining badly, and the expensive soap dispenser began corroding. The Grohe people were extremely responsive and, as a last resort, asked what kind of soap I was using. I'd poured in a bottle of "lemon"-scented dishwashing detergent I had on hand, for some reason -- I hate faux-lemon smell and never use it ordinarily. Apparently, the lemon detergent is BAD for the soap dispenser metal, and the interaction stains even granite! The Grohe people promptly sent out a new dispenser.

I've learned not to care about the dark ring in the granite.

Wolverine's picture

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Do you have the "high gloss" finish on your granite top?

Mug's picture

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Regarding new appliances... I just purchased the Whirlpool EZ-200 gas self standing range which has all but the adjustable audible signal, delay cook and off, and celsius/Fahrenheit Conversion that comes with the EZ-300. Those things I could live without. What it did have was the 12,500 BTU burner and the 550 BTU Simmer burner. I like the extra large oven window and the minimum of buttons and knobs to clean around. The self cleaning oven latch is hidden. I will get the range on Tuesday and will have to let you know how I like it.

What I did discover in my shopping is that several stores in our area carried the Whirlpool line, but not the one that had the features I wanted. According to the literature at the store, Sears and Whirlpool have an agreement! ( I did have very, very good service from my Sears store. )

Of course, it is my dream to have a professional range some day and a double oven, ( sigh ) but son is in grad school, so dreams are on hold. I'm sure though, I'll be able to do wonderful things with my new range!

I also have the Kitchenaid K5SS mixer which I have been so pleased with. I think it is about 8 or 9 years old and has been used a lot!

ZIA's picture

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CLS... i have the Kitchen Aid Superba Side by side stainless fridge...v pleased with the temp. control and the room to store is fabulous...pull out shelves and freezer baskets. Crisper is truly a CRISPER..talk about a nice Caesar salad! Can't use windex on the stainless ( v tempted w/all of the fingerprints from my young chldrn...but have been warned against it ..will dull it in future ) and you can't use magnets on it!!!!!!! Go for it when you're in the market for the new fridge....could not accomodate the subzero w/o removing a wall...cried alot but have almost forgotten about it with my KAid. My Mixer by KAid is a trooper ...I also have my nana's KAid mixer...it works like a dream and she is 90!