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CLS's picture

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Has anyone had any experience with the stove, refrigerator, oven and dishwashers? Specifically, the "Pro-Series" stainless steel line. I am very happy with my small appliances from that company.

Wolverine's picture

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I almost bought a stove from Kitchen Aid two weeks ago. I settled on the double oven from Maytag - just for the reason that it had two ovens. In order to get anything like Chiff found, or some of the other cooks on this discussion are lucky enough to have, I would have to redesign my kitchen! Since we're planning to sell the house in two years, I didn't feel like that! Back on subject - the Kitchen Aid convection oven looked great, and I also like all the smaller appliances that I have from them - especially the 5 qt pro series mixer - great for home use!I have had it now for 10 years, abuse it constantly, and it still just works its little heart out!

CLS's picture

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Well, I plan on being in my current house for ever, but I am in the process of planning a five stage renovation, of which the third stage is the kitchen. I plan on gutting it right down to the floor joists. I am keeping (3) things: the gas line leading to the stove, my potrack, and a handmade wrought iron towel bar. Everything else including all appliances will go. This renovation is taking place about (4) years from now, so I am busy doing research. The best source is other people, though, particularly other people who cook. I plan on getting a 6 burner gas cook top (will settle for 4 and a center grill), a seperate oven (ideally, a double, but we'll see how the budget goes), a refrigerator with bottom freezer, microwave, dishwasher, and if I am a very, very good girl, an under-the-counter wine storage unit.

So, if anyone out there has any opinions on any of these appliances, please speak now. I am concerned about performance, durability, and ease of cleaning and maintenance over beauty. Also, budget is a concern. I can afford to get good quality appliances, but I can't afford to spend $8,000 on a stove...

MEAN_CHEF's picture

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I have been planning a kitchen remodel also. Just in the planning stages and have put the plans to rest for a while after I priced out what I really wanted. Down to the joists and back again for a mere $60,000. Maybe my existing cabinets aren't so bad after all.

Wolverine's picture

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Quite a bit of discussion took place on stoves & such in this forum under " Viking Range" and "Kitchen Design" ....refers to other threads on this subject, too - maybe a dreaded archive search??

Wolverine's picture

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Ye God! 60K? I am going to have to be VERY finicky about the layout in the new house I buy.

CLS's picture

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Aaak! I need to do it for about, say half that. 35K max. I have to gut it, there's just no other way. And I'm taking walls out to expand the kitchen into an existing hallway and old, unfinished bath so I can double the size. Removing walls is expensive, trust me on that. And I currently have (1) little window that looks at my neighbors house, so I want that gone and add a series of windows at the very top of the wall (light, no view). Windows, also expensive. Anyway, while I'd love to have a top of the line pro stove, I am seriously considering the Kitchenaids. They have a good repution, more in line with my budget, and have a stainless steel series that is a must for me. Not for looks, although I know they are trendy right now, but they are durable as all hell and very very easy to clean and maintain. They also have (or at least they had) some sort of deal where if you purchased the pro ss stove, fridge and dishwasher at the same time you got a substantial discount.

Come on, someone out there has to have a kitchenaid stove, fridge and or dishwasher.

P.S. Mean, keep me posted on what you do renovation-wise. None of the other renovations to this house are causing me as much trouble as this. I really need to maximize the "function-ability" of this space.

CLS's picture

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Damn, Wolverine, I was hoping and praying to avoid that! Actually, I have been reading the viking stove thread in bits and pieces. I was going to search for more kitchen design discussions, but am procrastinating. I don't want to get Mean started, but the archive search could be better (yes, I know, understatement of the millinium!)

Wolverine's picture

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ROTFL - really MC LOVES archive searches! ;-)

Jo_'s picture

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View aside, it's so nice to have light on countertops. How about making translucent, shoji-type non-operable windows at countertop level? Maybe with one transparent panel to relieve the eyes.

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I am on my second KitchenAid refrigerator. The only reason I sold the first one was because it was a freezer over/ frig under unit and when we remodeled I needed a side by side so there was adequate space between my island the the swing of the frig door. Frig number 1 was 9 years old, just sold it this summer. We paid about $1100 for it and sold it for $400. As I was spiffing it up for sale, I kept thinking what a great unit it was. Every part of it looked brand new. The shelves and drawers are great quality. The side by side is just as well made, harder to get used to. It's the same amount of cubic feet (25 or so) but the shelf space isn't as user friendly. If I had room I would have gotton the 42" instead of the 351/2".

Gretchen_'s picture

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I think we talked about this many months ago but Kitchenaid stoves and refrigerators are made by Hotpoint or someone else, for what that is worth. Might get a very similar top of the line for less than the KA name brings. KA still makes the mixers and dishwashers.

CLS's picture

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Thanks, Nancy, exactly the kind of info I'm looking for.

CLS's picture

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Well, I seriously considered that. Along with glass block. But our house is almost 100 years old, a ranch/cottage if you can imagine. I want to keep the outside looking as original as possible, so I need windows that at least appear to be like the others on the house - I'm hoping our architect can give me some suggestions.

aussiechef's picture

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We bought the Kitchen Aid bottom freezer. I love it. Saved my back too. I did have to reconfigure how to store things, because the manufacturers presume that everyone has oodles of Coke cans and huge gallon things of milk.

Have you thought about a sink yet? I spent a small fortune on a Franke, and I never knew that one could fall in love with a sink! I took my biggest pans around to the stores and bought the one that fit the best. It's not stainless steel - it's one of those chrome jobbydos that get shinier the more you polish, like those big fenders on 1950's cars. God this whopper gleams away despite me tossing saucepans into it from 3 feet away.

Halogen lighting over a work surface is just like sunlight. Love, love , love it.

I love my kitchen so much it's the only thing
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me to California.

Nancy_G.'s picture

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Actually KitchenAid is made by Whirlpool. There are two major frig manufacturers, Whirlpool and Amana. Whirlpool makes basic Whirlpools, Whirlpool Gold is a step up and then Kitchen Aid. Good old Costco, has a Kirkland frig, made by Whirlpool.

Nancy_G.'s picture

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Just went back and read Aussie's message about the Franke sink. I read an article in a kitchen mag this summer singing the Franke's praises. Apparently they have an innovative design that configures the faucets in such a way to maximize sink space. I already had already purchased a sink when I read that article. I did buy a Grohe faucet and it is fabulous. Worth the money to spend on something you use constantly.

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I have a Kitchenaid 4-burner/center grill gas cooktop, put it in when I built the house 5 years ago and I love it. It looks serious, has plenty of BTUs for my needs, is semi-easy to keep clean and wasn't all that expensive. I have never, ever used the center grill, however - the idea of grease splattering all over stops me - I use the (self-cleaning) oven broiler for meat, fish, etc. But having that space in the middle of the cooktop is still really handy.

Re: Refrigerators, I think the 24"-deep Subzeroes and the like are really sexy, but if budget is an issue the truth is that you get a lot more refrigerator for your money with a deeper model which may also be more energy-efficient. You may be able to lay out the kitchen to give it a built-in appearance by putting deep 'pantry' cabinets on either side or some such. Spend the $1500 you'll save for good lighting and for your sink, which you will use constantly. A refrigerator just sits there.

Re: Dishwashers, a friend of mine has a Miele that has an integral disposal so you don't have to scrape plates before putting them in. This sounds to me like a feature worth going for.

Good luck!

SLEWIS's picture

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Am I going crazy...this is the third time I have tried to send this...if I wasn't so pleased with my Kitchen Aides I would give up.

I have the freezer on bottom model of refer and am very pleased with it. When I purchased I was afriad that the freezer would be to small...not a problem. It holds as much as my old freezer on top model. It does run more then past reefers...however, I don't see an increase in electric bill. The only problem is that due to my kitchen lay out the door can only open towards a wall thus making it impossible to clean under the right veg. drawer or under the freezer basket.

I also have the Ultra Quiet model of the dishwasher. Love it.....the model I have is the one with the stainless interior, time and multi cycles....I use the timer all the time...the thing I like best (as does my sister, who has the same model) is how quiet it is. Sometimes I have to put my hand on it to see if it is running....

like I said I could be an ad for these guys.

happy remodel

CLS's picture

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Aussie, I haven't even begun to think about sinks yet, only that I need (2, and would love to have a 3rd smaller utility sink. I had kind of decided on SS, but now I believe I will look into your Franke's. I definitley need kitchen materials that will stand up to a lot of abuse. I am sure you all are aware by now that I am not the most graceful person in the world, so I want sturdy materials that are low maintenance. Like I said before, function over form.

Just what did this sink cost you, if you don't mind my asking? And what are it's dimensions?

CLS's picture

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Thanks for your persistence! This is exactly the kind of information I'm looking for. I can read a hundred brochures, but it doesn't compensate for real people who own the products testimonials.

I'm definitely going for the bottom mount, but primarily because I don't use the refrigerator on my freezer very often. I have a large full size freezer already that handles everything I need to keep frozen. And thanks for the info on the electric usage. Definitely a factor. I don't mind paying more for something if the quality is higher and the maintenance lower. Seems to me a smart way to go.

Now, if someone out there somewhere can just give me a really good idea about kitchenaid oven and cooktop, I'll be all set...

CLS's picture

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Sue, thank you, thank you, thank you! Do you also have the oven? If so, convection or regular? Gas or electric? How do you like it? And you are right, the Sub-Zero is sexy, but I want a deep refrigerator with wide shelves (platters, you know). Also, the money I save is actually going to go to a small luxury item I am hoping to be able to afford: a small, under-the-counter wine storage unit. It's a luxury, and I'll have to eat peanut butter sandwhiches for a while, but it's the only real "unnecessary" thing I'm going to allow myself...

D.J.'s picture

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i . o O (Isn't the subconscious an interesting thing?)

FlavourGirl_'s picture

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CLS-

If you already have a full sized freezer and just need a refrigerator for the kitchen why not consider a refrigerator like the ones found in stores? These can probably be found in commercial kitchen supply stores. But then maybe this is not the "look" you are aiming for?

aussiechef's picture

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It's 19" from front to back and 21" side to side - then there is a smaller one to the right which is 15" front to back and only 9" side to side. This is where, for some
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reason, kitchen designers love to put disposals. I've got the disposal in the big sink and boy, am I glad I did. I use this little sink to hold a small bucket and that's where compost goes.

Now I hope you are sitting down, because the sink cost about $600. It's an undermount, which adds to the cost I believe. But because it still looks so new after three years solid abuse, it's worth it, because the first thing to start looking shabby and people want to replace, is the sink. It does need a special cleaner (Bar Keeper's Friend) but that is easy to come by.

CLS's picture

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Also something I considered, but discarded pretty quickly. In my perfect fantasty life I could have one of those lovely glass-doored commercial models...in my real life I cannot. Everyone I've looked at, besides being out of my price range and an absolute electricity hog, have glass front doors. While I am a clean person, I am not necessarily neat. Perhaps M.S. could keep the inside of her refrigerator so wonderful that glass front doors wouldn't matter, but I'm just not that good. Oh, well, we all have to have something to strive for! :-)!

CLS's picture

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Aussie, that's a very deep sink, front to back. My current one is only 15 1/2" front to back, 21" side to side. Now, that's $600 for both sinks, correct? From my research that doesn't seem horrible for both sinks, especially considering they are undermounted (you are right - you pay more for undermount). How deep are they? And I agree, disposal in the large sink. Small sink for composting. Sounds smart.

I'm going to do some web-searching for these sinks. I may just have to follow your lead...

MEAN_CHEF's picture

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When it comes to gas ranges you should consider first: Do you want the higher BTUs of the "Pro - like" models:

If not, I would consider a Sears gas stove which is considered tops. About $1,000, I think. Otherwise you are in the $4,000 and up range.

Let's face it, gas ranges are only a pipe and burner. Not much to them.

MEAN_CHEF's picture

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While you are in a spending mood. Check out this stuff. Everything they make is top notch

Miele

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Hmmm, and here I just bought a kitchen that has the disposal in the smaller side (but that side is only about 6" across). Real estate agent said that the reasoning behind putting the disposal there was that you didn't have to scrape all the plates before you start washing/soaking dishes . . . you could scrape stuff into the smaller sink and disposal it while the other sink was full. Made sense to me, especially since we have never composted.

Speaking of that, DH and I want to start composting when we get the house in December. Anyone know of any web sites with guidelines for what containers/bins/corrals work best outside and inside, and what you should and shouldn't put in the compost? I seem to remember that meat products and anything with seeds are out, but other than that I have no clue. Any composting hints you can share would be helpful! Thanks.

Wolverine's picture

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Seeds are not out as long as its not weed seed. No meat or dairy ( egg shells great, but no cheese, etc.) Check out Organic Gardening Magazine, they have a whole section on composting every issue. Container really depends on whether you want "Hot" or "Cold" compost, and that depends on area available for compost and how much work you want to do!! I have two compost areas, the cold pile has no bin, etc, I just pile stuff on ( garden left overs, leaves, etc.) and let it cook itself - slow process. The other area is a slotted wooden bin type thingy I built myself, but it essentially lets the finished compost out the bottom, and you add the new stuff to the top. This is the quick pile that I have to turn every 10 days or so - kitchen scraps go here, along with grass clippings, come leaves, etc. Good luck - the stuff is black gold for your garden!!