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PeterDurand's picture

Interesting concept. What happens if the public does lose confidence and cooperation is reduced or denied?

http://www.hlswatch.com/2009/10/15/

roz's picture

(post #53381, reply #1 of 13)

My first thought to your question is the TSA agents would not be equipped to handle a polite 'no'. I don't feel they are adequately trained in either searches or communicating with the public. The agents at times can barely speak to people. And from the article, some agents really do not want to touch another person!

I can only assume a lot of agents would feel powerless. Perhaps armed guards would be standing by, in full sight, to ensure cooperation. Scary thought.

Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Do your best. Don Miguel Ruiz
Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Do your best. Don Miguel Ruiz
shipscook's picture

(post #53381, reply #2 of 13)

very interesting, thank you.


I almost always get "picked" and was told by an airline employee, not TSA, that it is probably because I almost always fly one way?? when I join a ship, it is not known where or when I will depart from that vessel.


left home on Christmas Day a few years back and got a chuckle--when I aproached the security area in our little airport--not another person in the whole area, was approached by the TSA person who announced that I had been chosen??


also, 99% of the time when I go to unpack my checked bag, there is the little note that it has been inspected by TSA. guess it's the big roll of knives that shows on the   x-ray??  Guess the silly checked pants and white coats give me away as probably not a bad guy??


But, everytime they bust another bunch of these guys, makes me think, something is working?


Nan

ashleyd's picture

(post #53381, reply #3 of 13)

They (governments) do not take our liberties away in big chunks, they nibble them away in little pieces. The TSA is just the latest organisation that seems to have absolutely no idea about what its purpose is and is consequently at best useless and at worst hostile. Let us not forget that the security rules and regulations that were in place on 9/11 were (and should have been) sufficient to prevent those terrorists from boarding the planes. But the government cannot be seen to be ineffective in enforcing its own legislation so it declares that the rules aren't tough enough and "we will do what we must to prevent it happening again". So what we have is more aggravation and annoyance for the travelling public (because that's how they let us know they are "doing something") but no greater resistance to terrorist activity.


ETA This isn't just a US thing, security is pretty much a joke all round the world.



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Edited 11/2/2009 2:49 pm by ashleyd

Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

MadMom's picture

(post #53381, reply #4 of 13)

I have to say I agree with ashley, and with the implied condition of your question...what if we do refuse?  I have never been in a "puffer" but, since my knee replacement, have been subjected to the infamous "pat down" every time my knee sends out alarms when I go through the x-Ray.  I get to sit in a room with four glass walls (still shoeless, because my shoes are going through the x-Ray machine, along with all my luggage) while the screener calls for a "female attendant."  When she shows up, I get to stand up and extend my arms.  I am wanded all over, including the areas your article said were passed, and the attendant is very nice about telling me "now I'm going to be feeling your left breast" etc.  I really don't mind it, but wonder about all the wasted time.  I'm 69 years old, a female, a grandmother.  Probably not high on the list of terror suspects.  Wouldn't it be nice if I had a card from my doctor or something?  (My husband has one for his pacemaker, but he gets the full body search anyway.)  Wouldn't it be nicer if they spent more time on real threats (like the 7 ounces of hemp conditioner in my carry on bag which just passed through xRay unnoticed?)


Speaking of real threats, and then I'll finish the rant, you realize that the one instrument which has actually been used (or at least tried to be used) to bring down a plane was a cigarette lighter.  Except for a brief period when those were banned, they are still allowed.  The rest of us have to take off our shoes which are then x-Rayed for bombs or something, but heaven help us, we don't bother the smokers.  Rant over.  Return to your regularly scheduled programming.




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Gretchen's picture

(post #53381, reply #5 of 13)

I wouldn't choose to not cooperate with these folks. They can take you out of line, and hold you.


We had one truly creepy guy in Denver. He really looked like something that would have turned up this past weekend for Halloween. It was almost disquieting he was so strange.


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MadMom's picture

(post #53381, reply #6 of 13)

Back before the knee replacement, it seemed I was always the one chosen for additional screening.  I used to joke that I could be in line in behind a Muslim wearing an "I Love Osama Bin Laden" tee-shirt, with dynamite strapped to his body, and he would be passed over so I could be screened.



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roz's picture

(post #53381, reply #8 of 13)

Yes, ITA. The TSA people could make your life miserable for a few hours or a few days or forever! My point is how smart/savvy/tactful/polite,etc. are they? Not very IMO.

Your comment about the creepy TSA guy gives me pause. Do these people have access to computers with all your information? I know I'm starting to sound like a sci-fi writer, but if you got a creepy feeling from this fellow, you can bet your instincts are true.

Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Do your best. Don Miguel Ruiz
Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Do your best. Don Miguel Ruiz
Gretchen's picture

(post #53381, reply #9 of 13)

No, I don't think  he had any access--he was just directing traffic from the maze to the suitcase/shoe examinations!  But truly, I have NEVER ever met such a creep in person.


The ones that are polite--and they really usually are--are obsequious. As if I would say, "NO you CAN"T look at my stuff".


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TracyK's picture

(post #53381, reply #10 of 13)

If you're talking about attempted shoe bomber Richard Reid, he actually used matches. :)


Also, smokers have to take off their shoes too.


 



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Edited 11/3/2009 10:29 am ET by TracyK

MadMom's picture

(post #53381, reply #11 of 13)

Matches are fine, too, I think.  Everyone has to take off their shoes, why should either matches or lighters be allowed?



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TracyK's picture

(post #53381, reply #12 of 13)

Because banning them accomplishes nothing except making the lines even longer since the inspection rats are spending all their time searching for lighters and matches? Because no other country in the world bans either matches or lighters?


Also, they're not quite totally allowed... "strike anywhere" matches are not allowed, and only one book of "safety" matches is allowed in carry on.


Sorry, but I just don't consider having to take off my shoes at the airport an intrusion on either my privacy or my civil liberties, nor do I think it's a blow to my dignity. My sock feet are just not that shocking... and it's not like we all aren't aware of the procedure, enabling us to plan ahead and wear shoes that can be easily slipped on and off.


I do wish the US took a more common sense approach to security, but -- they don't. Oh well.


If I were an enterprising terrorist, I probably would recruit gorgeous grandmothers like yourself for the next round of airline terrorism, precisely because you don't "look like a terrorist."



We are all in the same boat, you and me and ex-Gov. Palin and Rep. Joe Wilson, and wealth and social status do not prevail against disease and injury. And now we must reform our health insurance system so that it reflects our common humanity. It is not decent that people avoid seeking help for want of insurance. It is not decent that people go broke trying to get well. You know it and I know it. Time to fix it.

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor


Edited 11/3/2009 3:55 pm ET by TracyK

MadMom's picture

(post #53381, reply #13 of 13)

Thanks for the "gorgeous" comment, but I'm afraid that now that I get the pat down search, even the terrorists wouldn't want me!



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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

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soupereasy's picture

(post #53381, reply #7 of 13)

Good article. Thanks for posting.