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Napie's picture

The polls.. (post #50781)

Pollster John Zogby: "Palin is not to be underestimated. Her real strength is that she is authentic, a real mom, an outdoors person, a small town mayor (hey, she has dealt with a small town city council - that alone could be preparation for staring down Vladimir Putin, right?). She is also a reformer."


"A very important demographic in this election is going to be the politically independent woman, 15% of whom in our latest survey are undecided."


"In the final analysis, this election will be about Obama vs. McCain. Obama has staked out ground as the new JFK - a new generation, literally and figuratively, a new face of America to the world, a man who can cross lines and work with both sides. But McCain is the modern day Harry Truman - with lots of DC experience, he knows what is wrong and dysfunctional with Washington and how to fix it, and he has chosen a running mate who is about as far away from Washington as he could find.


"This contest is likely to be very close until the weekend before the election - then the dam may break and support may flood one way or the other."


The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.


Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.


Other demographic details are fairly predictable, showing that the McCain/Palin ticket heads into its convention on Monday with numbers that may fuel an optimism they may not have expected, and that many would not have predicted, especially after Obama's speech Thursday night.

AJ12754's picture

(post #50781, reply #75 of 109)

Tom Friedman was on Fresh Air the other day pointing out -- with disappointment -- the sheer idiocy of McCain's energy policy -- said it was doing nothing but allowing Venezuela, Russia and Saudi Arabia to high-five each other for the foreseeable future.


 


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Heather's picture

(post #50781, reply #79 of 109)

I heard that Friedman interview too--so maddening that we can't seem to comprehend the obvious in this country! Drill Baby Drill? That's an energy policy?

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50781, reply #81 of 109)

What would your energy policy be...would it not include drilling.


Jim

Gretchen's picture

(post #50781, reply #82 of 109)

"include" is such a good word.  McCain should add it to his DRILL DRILL DRILL.


 


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Heather's picture

(post #50781, reply #83 of 109)

The oil companies already have rights to drill in large tracts that they are not bothering to develop for various reasons.

This ecstatic campaign call for drilling as if it will instantly solve our energy problems is cynical and a big lie. People in this country seem to love easy answers and he's giving them one. How about an honest explanation of how much it would cost and how long it would take to get any gas into people's tanks? How about thinking about future generations and what would be best for them?

No, just promise that if you get elected you'll start drilling on January 21st and gas will be flowing freely by May and only cost $1.49 a gallon. All problems will be solved. That is the implication of "Drill Baby Drill!"

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50781, reply #84 of 109)

We have enough energy to meet our needs for centuries, but we have political difficulties in getting into use. 


A reasonable energy policy should include wind, solar, nuclear and other alternative sources of energy.  But none of those are even remotely able to impact our need for energy now.  Fifteen, twenty years or more before they would begin to have an impact on our needs.  We have adequate resources.  We should be developing the oil shale reserves through the west, drilling off the coast, drilling in ANWR, running new pipelines through Canada from Alaska to deliver both oil and gas to the central part of the country.


We need to do all these things.  If we don't it is only going to get worse, not better.  The fact that some oil company hold leases offshore and are not drilling is not an issue.  They have to make the decision as to what is appropriate for them to drill.  Maybe they are too deep, maybe they are not proven...whatever the reason, we need more sources of oil from our own territory.


Being dependent on mid east potentates who do not have our best interest at heart is absolute suicide.  With limited other sources available, and looking at 20 years to develop alternative sources I think we should be drilling and doing everything we can to develop all kinds of alternate sources of energy.


If you want to continue to be dependent, just wait til oil goes back up, as it surely will and goes to $200 a barrel and your gas tops $10 a gallon.


Ford is selling a car in Europe that gets over 70 miles per gallon and they can't build them fast enough.  Can't sell it here because of the environmentalilsts...runs on diesel. 


Jim

Heather's picture

(post #50781, reply #85 of 109)

I have been ranting about energy independence for years, you'll get no argument from me about that.
My problem is this "easy fix" lie. We need leadership on this issue and hard choices must be made.

ashleyd's picture

(post #50781, reply #87 of 109)

That's a reasonable case, except maybe for ANWR, but the fact is that unless there is pain, like the $10 gallon for gas (which we're already paying by the way) then there is no way you are going to convince the government or the electorate that they need to have a comprehensive and sensible energy policy which is eventually sustainable.


Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50781, reply #88 of 109)

Not true...the majority of the public already agree and the Republicans agree...admittedly after being drug kicking and screaming to the table by the electorate.  It's now Nothing Nancy and Dingy Harry that are holding up an energy policy for political purposes.  If the gas prices are high they figure it helps them at the polls...to hell with us.


Jim

ashleyd's picture

(post #50781, reply #89 of 109)

I'm still not convinced that the public already agree, neither here nor there, but we shall see.


Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50781, reply #37 of 109)

Latest state by state polls show Obama has widened his lead, now has 298 votes in his columns, with Iowa now strongly a blue state and Ohio starting to lean towards Obama.


http://www.electoral-vote.com/

gourmand's picture

(post #50781, reply #103 of 109)

Yes and check your link out now.


http://www.electoral-vote.com/


Obama 243   McCain 274  


 


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kathymcmo's picture

(post #50781, reply #104 of 109)

Yes I know, I check it every day. It will keep being really close for a few more weeks I think. The debates may solidify things one way or the other.

roz's picture

(post #50781, reply #105 of 109)

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Edit: Sorry for the long url....www.usaelectionpolls.com/political-websites/index.html


Edited 9/19/2008 9:29 am ET by roz

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MadMom's picture

(post #50781, reply #106 of 109)

Want to try that link again?



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roz's picture

(post #50781, reply #107 of 109)

Sorry. Try this.

www.usaelectionpolls.com

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Napie's picture

(post #50781, reply #108 of 109)

This is going to go right to the wire.  Election night should be fun.

Gretchen's picture

(post #50781, reply #109 of 109)

This reminds me of our trip to China in 1989. As we were leaving (after the Tiananmen Square massacre) and in the airport, the Chinese leaders came on the TV for the first time. Deng Zhou Peng (sp?) was the premier and 75 at the time. They ALL looked old old old. One of our charming tour members was also 75 at the time and commented upon seeing them "Someone 75 years old shouldn't be in charge of ANYthing."


But personally I would not vote against him at 72, but he was a much more attractive candidate 8 years ago.


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