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SallyBR1's picture

What do you think?

Brooks column yesterday on the NYT was pretty much hoping for it

"Her green thumb was so black, she couldn't even grow zucchini"



(Glenys, August 2008).
SallyBR1's picture

(post #50728, reply #1 of 164)

this is the article

Hoping It’s Biden
By DAVID BROOKS

Barack Obama has decided upon a vice-presidential running mate. And while I don’t know who it is as I write, for the good of the country, I hope he picked Joe Biden.

Biden’s weaknesses are on the surface. He has said a number of idiotic things over the years and, in the days following his selection, those snippets would be aired again and again.

But that won’t hurt all that much because voters are smart enough to forgive the genuine flaws of genuine people. And over the long haul, Biden provides what Obama needs:

Working-Class Roots. Biden is a lunch-bucket Democrat. His father was rich when he was young — played polo, cavorted on yachts, drove luxury cars. But through a series of bad personal and business decisions, he was broke by the time Joe Jr. came along. They lived with their in-laws in Scranton, Pa., then moved to a dingy working-class area in Wilmington, Del. At one point, the elder Biden cleaned boilers during the week and sold pennants and knickknacks at a farmer’s market on the weekends.

His son was raised with a fierce working-class pride — no one is better than anyone else. Once, when Joe Sr. was working for a car dealership, the owner threw a Christmas party for the staff. Just as the dancing was to begin, the owner scattered silver dollars on the floor and watched from above as the mechanics and salesmen scrambled about for them. Joe Sr. quit that job on the spot.

Even today, after serving for decades in the world’s most pompous workplace, Senator Biden retains an ostentatiously unpretentious manner. He campaigns with an army of Bidens who seem to emerge by the dozens from the old neighborhood in Scranton. He has disdain for privilege and for limousine liberals — the mark of an honest, working-class Democrat.

Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, have trouble connecting with working-class voters, especially Catholic ones. Biden would be the bridge.

Honesty. Biden’s most notorious feature is his mouth. But in his youth, he had a stutter. As a freshman in high school he was exempted from public speaking because of his disability, and was ridiculed by teachers and peers. His nickname was Dash, because of his inability to finish a sentence.

He developed an odd smile as a way to relax his facial muscles (it still shows up while he’s speaking today) and he’s spent his adulthood making up for any comments that may have gone unmade during his youth.

Today, Biden’s conversational style is tiresome to some, but it has one outstanding feature. He is direct. No matter who you are, he tells you exactly what he thinks, before he tells it to you a second, third and fourth time.

Presidents need someone who will be relentlessly direct. Obama, who attracts worshippers, not just staff members, needs that more than most.

Loyalty. Just after Biden was elected to the senate in 1972, his wife, Neilia, and daughter Naomi were killed in a car crash. His career has also been marked by lesser crises. His first presidential run ended in a plagiarism scandal. He nearly died of a brain aneurism.

New administrations are dominated by the young and the arrogant, and benefit from the presence of those who have been through the worst and who have a tinge of perspective. Moreover, there are moments when a president has to go into the cabinet room and announce a decision that nearly everyone else on his team disagrees with. In those moments, he needs a vice president who will provide absolute support. That sort of loyalty comes easiest to people who have been down themselves, and who had to rely on others in their own moments of need.

Experience. When Obama talks about postpartisanship, he talks about a grass-roots movement that will arise and sweep away the old ways of Washington. When John McCain talks about it, he describes a meeting of wise old heads who get together to craft compromises. Obama’s vision is more romantic, but McCain’s is more realistic.

When Biden was a young senator, he was mentored by Hubert Humphrey, Mike Mansfield and the like. He was schooled in senatorial procedure in the days when the Senate was less gridlocked. If Obama hopes to pass energy and health care legislation, he’s going to need someone with that kind of legislative knowledge who can bring the battered old senators together, as in days of yore.

There are other veep choices. Tim Kaine seems like a solid man, but selecting him would be disastrous. It would underline all the anxieties voters have about youth and inexperience. Evan Bayh has impeccably centrist credentials, but the country is not in the mood for dispassionate caution.

Biden’s the one. The only question is whether Obama was wise and self-aware enough to know that.

"Her green thumb was so black, she couldn't even grow zucchini"



(Glenys, August 2008).
Gretchen's picture

(post #50728, reply #2 of 164)

I like Biden a LOT, always have. And I thought the column was good.  Of course, the Republicans are saying immediately, "See, he admits he isn't ready to lead".

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SallyBR1's picture

(post #50728, reply #3 of 164)

There is a lot more heat coming towards Obama - this won t be an easy election, but it would not be easy to any Democrat

it should be a breeze, but somehow I know it won t.

"Her green thumb was so black, she couldn't even grow zucchini"



(Glenys, August 2008).
MadMom's picture

(post #50728, reply #5 of 164)

I was pulling for Biden, because I like him a lot.  Sure, he has made some gaffes, and the Republicans will have a field day with that, but good grief, look at the gaffes McCain has made (how many houses to you have?  I'll have my staff get back to you!)  It all comes down to the big question that is asked every election.  Are you better off now than you were four years ago?  In almost everyone's case, except for a few fat cats, the answer is hell, no.  If you like the way the country is going, vote for McCain.  If not, vote for Obama. 



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Florida2's picture

(post #50728, reply #39 of 164)

The republicans do not have a leg to stand on if they criticize Obama as not ready to lead. As if GW was tested in foreign policy before he ascended. In fact I recall the repubs at the time saying he will compensate for it by his VP and surrounding himself with experienced people.


I had the pleasure today of watching Obamas speech in the 2004 Dem Convention. He was electrifying.


Biden sounds like a good choice at this point.

chiffonade's picture

(post #50728, reply #4 of 164)

Yeah... about that.  I was really excited about Obama running for president but now, not so much. 

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blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #6 of 164)

There is some controversy now as to whether Obama meets the criteria to be a US president as he's not technically a US citizen, and one needs to be one according to the Constitution to hold that office. It's all over the net. Here's one article:

Barack Hussein Obama not US Citizen!

So i got to thinking… if Obama’s dad wasn’t actually married to his mom when he was born… wouldn’t that make him illegitimate, and therefore unable to even run as president? Sure enough… i found this:

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Source: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4375

Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth; a law that was in effect between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, when the law was changed.

However, the new law did not preempt the former law in the cases of those born between the above listed dates when the old law was in effect.

Therefore, Senator Obama may very well be disqualified as the Democratic candidate in the upcoming Presidential campaign.

Presidential office requires the person elected to be a natural-born United States citizen if the child was not born to two US citizen parents.

US Law very clearly stipulates: “If only one parent was a US citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Barack Obama’s father was not a US citizen, and Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.

In order for her child to have been a natural-born US citizen, his mother would have had to be 21 at the time of his birth.

In essence, Mrs. Obama was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic US citizenship.

His mother would have needed to have been 16+5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.

Barack Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office of President under current law.

At best, Barack Obama is only a naturalized US citizen.

This is an issue that must be clarified before the election.

Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President as is the case with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other information does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a US citizen for at least 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after she became age 16.

If Obama were elected President without being a natural-born US citizen, it would set precedence that would enable Governor Schwarzenegger and other naturalized US citizens to also run for President.

The above information may be presented from the floor at the Democratic National Convention, and my be the impetus of resurrecting Hillary Clinton’s Democratic Presidential campaign.
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Steve Miller, is a former Las Vegas City Councilman. In 1991, the readers of the Las Vegas Review Journal voted him the “Most Effective Public Official” in Southern Nevada. Miller writes internationally syndicated columns on organized crime and political corruption for Rick Porrello’s AmericanMafia.com.

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Gretchen's picture

(post #50728, reply #7 of 164)

Oh, please.

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Marie Louise's picture

(post #50728, reply #8 of 164)

LOL.

Heather's picture

(post #50728, reply #11 of 164)

False. Why don't people check Snopes before promulgating this drivel? Steve is not as "effective" as he thinks he is--

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

gmunger's picture

(post #50728, reply #13 of 164)

Why don't people check Snopes before promulgating this drivel?


Where was Snopes during the runup to the Iraq invasion?


 


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Heather's picture

(post #50728, reply #14 of 164)

if only. . .

AJ12754's picture

(post #50728, reply #15 of 164)

Writing for the Daily Show.


I like Biden in the VP slot for a lot of reasons.



The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)


Edited 8/23/2008 12:19 pm ET by aj12754

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MEANCHEF's picture

(post #50728, reply #16 of 164)

I love Biden.  Great choice.

blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #19 of 164)

Sorry, I'm not familiar with Snopes. I was just listening to a radio program late last night and this guy was on. His arguments sounded good and valid, but what do I know. He has filed a lawsuit regarding this, and claims the birth certificate shown is a forgery based on his half sisters birth certificate. Would be an interesting situation if it does prove to be true though.

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50728, reply #20 of 164)

Do you seriously believe that neither McCain nor none of the other candidates running against Obama would've said something if this were true, and the only guy smart enough to notice it was some two-bit politician from Southern Nevada?? I think you should turn on your BS detector, you're being had.

blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #28 of 164)

Thanks! I really didn't do any of my own research. I would assume it would have come out long ago as he's held public office for a while. What this man is saying is that papers have been forged. In that case it wouldn't have come out unless someone doubted it and had done their own investigations. He has spent a good while checking through all sorts of records and documents concerning his early years, and I doubt he would put himself on the line like this, unless he felt he had some solid evidence. Frankly, I really don't care either way as neither candidate thrills me.

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50728, reply #29 of 164)

Well I do think "steve" would put himself on the line, as you say, just for the attention and to slander a politician he doesn't like. Happens every day, unfortunately, and the Internet has just made it easier to spread unfounded rumors.


I believe you will see that nothing comes of this.

Gretchen's picture

(post #50728, reply #23 of 164)

It ISN"T true.  And McCain's right to be called "American" has also been investigated FOR REAL.  Please don't post that drivel.

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blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #32 of 164)

< And McCain's right to be called "American" has also been investigated FOR REAL >>

Can you elaborate a bit on your statement?

Gretchen's picture

(post #50728, reply #33 of 164)

His father was a Naval officer and he was born "somewhere" outside the US (Panama?). It was brought up 'way back that he might not qualify. You can google  (www.google.com) and probably find numerous references. It was stupid.

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MadMom's picture

(post #50728, reply #35 of 164)

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.  As everyone except "steve" seems to know, children born overseas of American parents are American.  I'm sorry, but people should check out drivel before posting it.  I'm ready to hear once again that Obama is a Muslim



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blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #38 of 164)

Well, in one current book the author who was on Larry King recently claims to have a copy of his school records and that it shows that he registered for school as a Muslim. There so much junk on the net, so who really knows what the truth is. Boards are for discussions. We want to believe what we will. One person's drivel is another's truth, and I don't think any of us knows the whole truth. I assure you I have no agenda. Was just listening to a program, and I assumed this was recent news. I didn't know it was around for a while and debunked. Who knows if they are right either!

Florida2's picture

(post #50728, reply #40 of 164)

And who cares if he is Muslim, Christian, B'hai, Buddist, Jewish, polka dotted etc. I get so tired of trying to pigeon hole people based upon their religion, their race, their political bents.  Is there a rule that only Christians can be president because I missed that somewhere in high school.

evelyn's picture

(post #50728, reply #70 of 164)

I so agree with you - isn't freedom of religion assured in your Constitution?

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Gretchen's picture

(post #50728, reply #43 of 164)

I now realize you will not be deterred by what is patently untrue, since you prefer to believe EVERYthing that is put out anywhere, and will continue to protest that "it could be true". You may not have an "agenda" but you do have a bias.  That is fine--we all do. But don't go all disingenuous on us--"I just heard this and thought you would be interested."


 


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kathymcmo's picture

(post #50728, reply #44 of 164)

What's odd is the one thing blondelle does question is snopes.com

blondelle's picture

(post #50728, reply #46 of 164)

WHOA! Wait a sec. Yes, it is true I thought it was new, and that I was posting I something I thought no one heard about, that I thought was interesting--at least to me. Dumb, but true! I have no bias! I don't like either candidate. I said I don't know what's true any more, from anywhere! I wasn't singling out Snopes. I really don't have much interest even, or know much about the candidates. Never really heard of any of the VP candidates except Hilliary. Don't follow the election really at all, I'm embarrassed to say.

I will forever more stick to pots and pans...OK?....as you were ;-)!

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50728, reply #47 of 164)

Well I for one hope you stick around because the way you describe yourself, you are one of the uncommitted/undecided independent voters that the whole election will hinge upon. And it would be great to have someone like that in our discussions, because most of us are very definitely on one side of the fence or the other. It would be interesting to hear more from you.


But please do understand that reading blatantly untrue stories about McCain and Obama do raise our hackles, since there are so very many important issues facing our country.


And by all means be sure to post in the cooking threads also!

msm-s's picture

(post #50728, reply #45 of 164)

"One person's drivel is another's truth..."

Weeeeeell- not really. One thing you need to know about the folks here is that even if they strongly disagree with a statement, if it is true, they are not going to refer to it as drivel.