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wisekaren's picture

I finished "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" yesterday and am trying to think of some way to describe it other than LIFE-CHANGING. I had thought I was pretty good in terms of conscientious purchasing habits, but it turns out I have quite a ways to go. WOW. I am positively giddy with excitement thinking of how I can incorporate her teachings into my own life.
Karen

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #67 of 134)

I'm just saying....


I think we can agree on far more than we disagree.

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
TracyK's picture

(post #48429, reply #74 of 134)

But that's the thing -- I don't disagree with you at all. :-) In an ideal world we'd all eat humanely raised, responsibly grown food all the time.


But unfortunately we live in the actual world, where I can either buy three lbs of supermarket chicken thighs for $7, or less than one lb of organic chicken thighs for $8. It's a non-starter even for me, and I don't have nearly the financial pressures as many other folks have (since I have no kids, a steady job, and good health insurance).


This board is largely made up of middle- to upper-middle-class folks who can afford to prioritize food in a way that many (if not most) people cannot. I just think it's unrealistic not to acknowledge that.


Besides, it starts small. I'd rather someone buy organic chicken than factory farmed chicken, but I'd rather they buy factory-farmed chicken than hamburger helper. :-)


CT poster in bad standing since 2000.

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #75 of 134)

I fully acknowledge the reality of which you speak. I have to deal with it too.


That's partly why we moved to the country. So that I can produce much of my own food, and hopefully some for others too. I'm not an advocate of local, sustainable food production because I think I'm better than anyone. And no, I know that's not what you are suggesting. And yes, I realize that not everyone can buy a plot of land in the country. Many of us simply do what we can do, as you have pointed out.


Healthy, sustainably-grown food IS more expensive at the retail level, compared with much of what the mainstream food system offers. But the mainstream system is based on a number of unsustainable and unhealthy practices. And the costs associated with these practices are shunted apart from the retail price of the food item. And we all pay for this in other ways. Our children are REALLY going to pay for it. I'm not blaming the retail shopper. The minority are only now catching on to this problem, thanks to folks like Pollan and Kingsolver. Again, read this short post by Tom Philpott about this very issue. Oops, here's another good one. And many of us who are aware are sometimes still limited by economic necessity from choosing the food we know is best for us and our communities. But as is pointed out in Philpott's writings, there is some hope.

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #80 of 134)

Healthy, sustainably-grown food


You mean like "brown rice, seaweed and a dirty hot dog?"

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #81 of 134)

tofu dog!

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
Marcia's picture

(post #48429, reply #82 of 134)

Ah, you're a fan, too. :)

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #83 of 134)

There's frogs inside my socks





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #84 of 134)

Gimme a string bean, I'm a hungry man!

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #85 of 134)

Im on the pavement
Thinking about the government





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #87 of 134)

What should the wedding supper be?
Fried mosquito in a black-eye pea,


shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #88 of 134)

A little piece of cornbread layin' on a shelf.
If you want anymore, you can sing it yourself, Uh-huh.





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #89 of 134)

They got some hungry women there
And they really make a mess outa you

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #90 of 134)

Looking in the window at the pecan pie
Lot of things they'd like they would never buy





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #91 of 134)

What have I done!?

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #92 of 134)

I like to do just like the rest, I like my sugar sweet,
But guarding fumes and making haste,
It ain't my cup of meat.

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #94 of 134)

You've unleased a monster.





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #93 of 134)

Newspapermen eating candy
Had to be held down by big police.
Someday, everything is gonna be diff'rent
When I paint my masterpiece.


 


I really gotta go and do some work.  Besides, I'm running out of Dylan/food references.


Edited 8/30/2007 4:40 pm ET by smslaw

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #95 of 134)

Yes, we must conserve those precious resources! <G>





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #96 of 134)

I think you two have scared away all the others.

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
Marcia's picture

(post #48429, reply #101 of 134)

They're a LOT of precious resources, in this case, and some aren't worth conserving. Ever hear "Lenny Bruce"? My God, it's amazing how bad the guy can be. But so many gems....

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #97 of 134)

Saddle me up my big white goose
Tie me on 'er and turn her loose
Oh me, oh my
Love that country pie

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #98 of 134)

Man comes to the door - I say, "For whom are you looking?"
He says, "Your wife", I say, "She's busy in the kitchen cookin'."

(Damn you! This is worse than trying to eat just one peanut)





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007
gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #99 of 134)

I was being serious at first. Then you two launched this whimsical sidetrack.

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.
shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #48429, reply #100 of 134)

It's not our fault -- it's Bob Dylan's fault for being so obsessed with food.





"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007

Marcia's picture

(post #48429, reply #102 of 134)

Dylan always gets blamed. Sigh. (G)

smslaw's picture

(post #48429, reply #105 of 134)

it's Bob Dylan's fault for being so obsessed with food.


he's obsessed with everything.  Lucky this isn't "Fine Railroading."

CookiM0nster's picture

(post #48429, reply #104 of 134)

Businessman they drink my wine
Plowmen dig my earth

Marcia's picture

(post #48429, reply #103 of 134)

"You got a hole where your stomach disappeared..."

Heather's picture

(post #48429, reply #76 of 134)

This morning's NYTimes has an interesting article about interest groups that are using the United Nations study on the global warming effects of the livestock industry to promote vegetarianism.

It's a very complicated issue and as Tracy says, we can each only do our little part because it is impossible to do everything right. And "right" keeps changing!

If anyone has trouble opening the link, let me know and I can post part of the article. If you need to use it, our User ID is "cookstalk" and Password is "finecooking", I think.

gmunger's picture

(post #48429, reply #78 of 134)

Thanks for posting Heather.


I cringed when I saw this article. Not only do I disagree with the entire premise, but this article was all fluff, no discussion of the scientific basis behind these arguments, and it was totally one-sided.


The cattle/methane thing is something I have repeatedly argued about in various other forums. See this posting for a good encapsulation. I have discussed my "take" on this with others whose training is more in line with the science of biogeochemical cycling, and they have concurred, at least in theory.


I'd be happy to discuss with anyone here, to the extent I'm able.

 

We are truly what we eat, and too many people are fast, cheap and easy. Who owns your food owns you, and it is unwise to let that power rest in the hands of a very few wealthy corporations.