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MadMom's picture

he passed away this afternoon.



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thecooktoo's picture

(post #52613, reply #116 of 228)

WAIT A DAMNED MINUTE NOW!  Don't even begin to paint all men with the MJ brush. 
That is totally uncalled for.  Over the years as a parent and a grandparent I have had dozens of kids, male and female, spend the night in my house...and still do, whether wife is home or not.


Be very careful about how you classify people.  Your experiences that cause you to reach that conslusion are not necessarily valid for others.


Jim

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #117 of 228)

I'm pretty sure Biscuit didn't necessarily mean to paint all males with the same brush. Perhaps her statement was made with the known reports of kids sleeping in the same bed with MJ in mind.


I can tell you for damn sure I would never allow any kid of mine to share a bed with a non-related adult of either gender.


Many of these parents are on record as knowingly allowing their kids to sleep in the same bed with Michael Jackson. That's just not right, I don't care if he was a child molester or not. It's just weird, and HE was weird, and I question the motives of any parent who would let their kid spend unchaperoned time with a celebrity weirdo.



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

thecooktoo's picture

(post #52613, reply #118 of 228)

ITA with your comments.  I would never allow older children to sleep with me or any other adult in my house. 


But that's not what Biscuit said, she stated, "I'd go further - that any parent who allowed their child to spend the night with ANY adult male is a PP parent."


That is a statement that I personally resent.


Jim

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #119 of 228)

I understand that.


I'm suggesting (and her further explanations later in the thread bear this out) that perhaps she didn't actually mean it in quite as narrow a scope as she said, given that the conversation originated regarding Michael Jackson, with all his weird bed-sharing and whatnot.



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #121 of 228)

Hey, I wasn't!!!  Darn it, I wasn't! 


This is too tricky a thing for me to discuss, obviously.


"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

Jean's picture

(post #52613, reply #122 of 228)

I'm not even turning on my TV for the next couple of days. All this todo about MJ.  Bury the little s**t and be done with it! I didn't even like his music.


Sometimes I wonder--why is that Frisbee getting bigger?--and then it hits me.



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Jillsifer's picture

(post #52613, reply #123 of 228)

I'm not even turning on my TV for the next couple of days.


That's a good idea. I usually it on in the morning to catch weather and traffic news (I commute about 35 miles each way), and in the Los Angeles radio/TV market, it's beyond ridiculous.


If you want to know what the traffic is like at Dodger Stadium (where the tickets were distributed this morning), you're in high cotton. But the rest of our vast freeway network? Forget it--if it's not somewhere on the Michael Jackson Route of Public Emoting, it's not worth mentioning.


I'm sure tomorrow we'll hear all about traffic downtown (Staples Center, Nokia Center) but the rest of us will be left to the mercy of the 18-wheelers and the 11 remaining CHP officers who AREN'T doing Jackson duty.


Feh. Gack. I want it all to be OVER.


 


 


One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is.

Christmas is the season for kindling the fire of hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart.

-- Washington Irving

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #124 of 228)

It is sad that the family (or whoever) chose to have the "Memorial Service" in downtown LA, particularly since the state is broke, issuing IOUs, and will have to pay the cost of overtime for all those officers.  I see the people clamoring for tickets, crying over that freak, and I just want to scream "GET A LIFE!"  (I'll have to admit that I wanted to register for a ticket, hoping I would be selected, just so I could not show up!)  I'm afraid it won't be over because after he's buried, we'll have to have interviews with the people weeping over his grave, hear about which drugs and exactly how much he took and who prescribed them, then there is the custody hearings, which will go on ad infinitum, and don't forget DNA tests on the children to prove they weren't really his...wouldn't that be a hoot.  I was of the generation which loved James Dean and even Elvis Presley, but once they were gone, I was sad for a small time, then got over it.  They were people I never met, who didn't know me, whom I didn't know.  I'll save my real grief for those close to me.



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TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #125 of 228)

You know, y'all could just stop paying attention. I swear it works. I watch a LOT of TV, look at a LOT of websites, and read/listen to a LOT of news, and somehow I've managed to avoid most of the MJ hoopla.


Just stop paying attention. Win-win for all ... y'all cease being annoyed by it, and hopefully this thread goes the eff away too. LOL.



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #126 of 228)

I primarily watch the news, and try to change channels when another story about Wacko Jacko comes on, but sometimes he's being "memorialized" on all of the channels at once, or so it seems.  Hey, we do get our jollies complaining here, since it doesn't seem to be doing any good to complain to the media.



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TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #127 of 228)

It just seems a bit -- I don't know... something, LOL -- to respond to irritation at blanket media coverage by contributing to and extending the discussion about the very subject you're annoyed by.


It's not like it's a big secret at this point that the "news" channels (infauxtainment is not news, IMO, which is why I don't watch any of it) are going to cover nothing but Michael Jackson until well after the funeral is over. It's not going to stop until it gets bumped by something more interesting.



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

Aberwacky's picture

(post #52613, reply #129 of 228)

LOL!!

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Jillsifer's picture

(post #52613, reply #128 of 228)

You know, y'all could just stop paying attention.


I would really love to do that if the traffic-information fairies would drop a leaflet over my house every morning. ;-)



 


 


One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is.


Edited 7/6/2009 2:29 pm by Jillsifer

Christmas is the season for kindling the fire of hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart.

-- Washington Irving

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #133 of 228)

That's where selective attention comes in very handy. We have traffic here in DC, yanno. :)


"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

Jillsifer's picture

(post #52613, reply #134 of 228)

We have traffic here in DC, yanno. :)


You mean you don't ALL travel by motorcade, with flags, sirens and flashing lights? Who knew. ;-)


No, seriously, I'm just fed up with the wall-to-wall coverage of traffic in the Jackson-related areas at the expense of every other area in our megalopolis. But it should die down after tomorrow, I hope.


 


 


One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is.

Christmas is the season for kindling the fire of hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart.

-- Washington Irving

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #135 of 228)

Look at it this way.  G and his children will pay for it. 


And Tracy, I am old enough to remember hearing a college professor talk about seeing the president on his morning walks.  No secret service, nothing.  I know it cannot be done now, but I do long for that simpler time.




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TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #136 of 228)

Simpler times seem nicer, indeed. :)



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

shar999's picture

(post #52613, reply #137 of 228)

I'm really angry with the media.  I think they are shoving this stuff  down our throats.    I will not watch the news or the Today Show again until this hoopla is over. 

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #138 of 228)

They may be, but you still have the choice to TURN IT OFF. Seriously.


 



"Attend to the details. Teach your children manners. Write cogent paragraphs. Drive carefully. And make a good potato salad, one with some crunch, maybe accompanied by a fried drumstick with crackly skin -- the humble potato and the stupid chicken, ennobled by diligent cooking -- and is this not the meaning of our beautiful country, to take what is common and enable it to become beautiful?"

                                                            -- Garrison Keillor

shar999's picture

(post #52613, reply #140 of 228)

Isn't that what I said???

Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #141 of 228)

Okay, now I'm really piffed.


I'm really completely over the news coverage of all of this - shades of that brainless twit, Anna Nichole all over again - so I heard last night that they would start "complete coverage" of the memorial at 11.  So - great.  I got up at 8 a.m., and thought it would be safe to turn on the news and catch a couple of hours of "real" news - yes, I said it!  REAL news!   Like, our President in Russia mending relations, the riots in China, what's going on in Iran, things like that!


So - I turn on the TV, figuring I'm safe to see an hour or so before they start "complete coverage".  WHAT??!!  Not ONE STATION had anything on but the BUILDUP to the memorial for MJ. 


Honestly, how long can they keep this up????  I'm so frustrated and angry right now that I fired off a blistering e-mail to both CNN and MSNBC and let them know about it.


NEWS, people!!!  You are supposed to be NEWS stations!!!!  AHHHHH!!!!!


"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

Jillsifer's picture

(post #52613, reply #142 of 228)

So are we NOT going to chat on the phone tonight, while watching the hard-hitting analyses of today's various funeral/memorial events?


I decided to make sport of it, since NOTHING was going to get me my traffic news this morning. The favorite visual seemed to be a static shot of the Jackson family house in Encino. The squealing reporter actually JUMPED UP AND DOWN for a second when she saw a private security guard move two or three steps.


(Local news guy snidely observed that the parade of elephants down Figueroa was an amusing coincidence--Ringling Bros. DOES arrive in town tomorrow.)


 


 


One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is.

Christmas is the season for kindling the fire of hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart.

-- Washington Irving

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #143 of 228)

I keep hoping and keeping my fingers crossed that once he's dead, buried, memorialized, and otherwise analyzed, this will be over, but I know that's just wishful thinking.  As my DH pointed out, it didn't take Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson long to hang onto another 15 minutes of fame as "friends of the family."  Next, after this media frenzy cools down, we'll get the autopsy results (perhaps two differing ones?), then the custody battles, then the estate hassles.  It's becoming a circus...glad Ringling Brothers is coming to town, give them a run for their money.



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Jillsifer's picture

(post #52613, reply #147 of 228)

We also have to go through at least two more days of "ordinary person" interviews, wherein everyday folks wll tell the reporters how touched they were by the ceremony, how Michael's life and work helped form their souls, and how (insert celebrity name of choice) summed up MJ's contributions so perfectly during his/her moving tribute at the memorial.


ALL of these "interviews" will conclude with the statement "I was crying." Because America needs to know that.


But, in fairness, that stuff will be slightly easier to ignore, and I'm getting something akin to Stockholm syndrome--I'm starting to "bond" with all this cr*p, just so I can have material to snark about. ;-)


 


 


One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is.

Christmas is the season for kindling the fire of hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart.

-- Washington Irving

kathymcmo's picture

(post #52613, reply #144 of 228)

I just have this creepy feeling that the events at the Staples Center are going to get out of control, with the hordes mobbing the coffin or or trampling each other or something. Hope I am wrong.


My plan is to watch a few more episodes of The Wire this evening so I can avoid all the hoopla. I'm part way through Season 2, and it's such a great show.

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #145 of 228)

Oh, the Wire! I keep meaning to watch that all the way through sometime. I saw a few episodes of Season One, and all of the last season, but nothing in between, despite hearing from all people whose taste I trust that it is one of the finest television series ever. I may have to break down and actually buy the series.




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kathymcmo's picture

(post #52613, reply #148 of 228)

I've been getting the DVDs through Netflix, and am finding it irresistible, my new nightly espace after a hard day's work.


The writing is excellent. Sometimes I have to rewind to really "get" the dialect, but it's worth it.

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #149 of 228)

When I watch TV, I usually want the news (currently all about MJ) or something completely mindless.  I love my one soap opera, All My Children, which was pre-empted for the memorial today, so I have it set to record tonight.  Also enjoy Army Wives, love to point out any minor inconsistencies.  Aside from the fact that no group which includes a general's wife, a LTC's husband, a major's wife, an E7's wife, and a specialist's wife would ever exist, it's fun. 



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thecooktoo's picture

(post #52613, reply #157 of 228)

Well, yes, they do exist...just not in the same space at the same time!


Jim

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #150 of 228)

I've been building up a library of DVDs, but am trying to restrict my buying to stuff that is really, authentically, classic stuff, like Deadwood, I Claudius, etc. I think The Wire might fit into that category. I tried Zip (Canadian version of NetFlix) for tv series, but can never get the discs in sequence.




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