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he passed away this afternoon.



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Aberwacky's picture

(post #52613, reply #37 of 228)

Yes, that sums up my feelings as well.  Thanks for posting that article.


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Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #40 of 228)

Thanks for posting that - that is EXACTLY what I wanted to say, what I feel about him, but didn't have the eloquence to say myself.


"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #41 of 228)

I've been kind of formlessly melancholy about the whole thing, which surprises me, as I haven't cared or really even thought about him in many many years (except of course for the "WTF???" thoughts whenever he'd end up in the news again).


I think it just reminds me that I'm not as young as I feel. Le sigh.


Edited to add: This is a nice piece about it as well: http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2009/06/26/michael_jackson_crossover/index.html



"One of the great strengths of the United States is … we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

                                                            --President Barack Obama


Edited 6/26/2009 11:26 am ET by TracyK

kathymcmo's picture

(post #52613, reply #48 of 228)

I was born the same month and year as Michael Jackson (and Madonna too, LOL) so it's weird to think someone my own age had cardiac arrest, although I am pretty sure that my habits and Michael's are pretty divergent.


To me he's a tragic figure, and the article you posted explains why. I feel bad for his children.

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #49 of 228)

although I am pretty sure that my habits and Michael's are pretty divergent.


I don't know you that well, but I feel I can safely say that's a vast understatement!!



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                                                            --President Barack Obama

Marcia's picture

(post #52613, reply #57 of 228)

I felt bad for his children before he died, and I wonder what will happen to the poor things now.

Edited to say that I was shocked to hear that he had three children. Amazing.


Edited 6/26/2009 2:10 pm ET by Marcia

smslaw's picture

(post #52613, reply #64 of 228)

I felt bad for his children before he died, and I wonder what will happen to the poor things now.


There will in all likelihood be an appalling display of greed as various relatives and hangers-on fight over the carcass like a bunch of vultures (my apologies to the carrion-eating community). It will not do the children any good. I hope I'm wrong.

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #65 of 228)

today, the news was saying that for all his public weirdness, he was a good father.  they have not had much of a normal life, and they are  temporarily with his mom...and she did such a great job with her kids.  their mother was nothing more than a baby maker for hire, who has signed away her parental rights.  i feel deeply sorry for them.



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Heather's picture

(post #52613, reply #73 of 228)

I'm not sure what the family will be fighting over, he was apparently deeply, deeply in debt.

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(post #52613, reply #50 of 228)

Exactly! 


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(post #52613, reply #78 of 228)

Tracy, that really really hits it. Interesting how sometimes I have a difficult time sorting my thoughts and opinions, almost as if my mind is cloudy. Then all of a sudden I read something that clears the horizon.

this article was it.

thank you

 


 


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cookie1's picture

(post #52613, reply #98 of 228)

So very true!


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Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #99 of 228)

I've been thinking about this whole fascination with Michael Jackson and his death. There are probably some doctors out there who are hiring lawyers as we speak.

However, I want to ask this question. How many of you would allow your children to sleep with Michael Jackson? Just curious as I can't understand this fascination with a man who invited children into his bedroom. I'm not trying to start a fight, just can't, for the life of me understand all of this. He was a pedophile at worse, or a very sick man/boy at best.

shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #100 of 228)

That question occurred to me more than once. What kind of parent allows their kid to stay with a virtual stranger, famous or not?




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Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #101 of 228)

Maybe I'm just feeling cranky right now, but MJ did not discover a cure for cancer, nor did he really contribute anything to society except his music. I believe he was an abused child, forced to do things he did not want to do and his father makes me sick. I don't know what part his mother played in this, but this fascination with his music is a smoke screen, IMO.

I would imagine that the parents pimped out their children just so they could say he slept at Neverland. MJ was a sick, sick, man. That's why he paid out so much hush money. May he rest in peace and we can forget him.

evelyn's picture

(post #52613, reply #102 of 228)

<b>but MJ did not discover a cure for cancer, nor did he really contribute anything to society except his music.</b>

But the music he contributed was brilliant! Why is that contribution any less significant than a cure for cancer? Seriously. Music can touch lives in so many exceptional ways and, obviously, this man's/child's did - hundreds of millions, globally. I'm sorry, I can not devalue his music because of who he turned out to be.

The man died...his music didn't. Let it go.

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MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #103 of 228)

Unfortunately, the focus doesn't seem to be on his music, though.  It is on his alleged pedophilia, his predeliction for sleeping with young children, his bizarre plastic surgeries (what sort of reputable doctor would do that to another human being?), his spending habits (I'll take this, and that, and that, and that...whether I can pay for it or not), his drug addictions...on the past 18 years when he made no music to speak of.  I, too, believe that he was an abused child, and his father does make me ill.  I have to wonder about his mother, though, because by her silence didn't she become an accomplice to the abuse?  Also, the doctors who prescribed drugs for him (police who searched his house found a virtual pharmacy, including drugs which should never be administered outside a hospital) - what were they thinking?  Or did they just see dollar signs and ignore the fact that under it all was a human being, perhaps a sick, frail, abused one.



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Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #104 of 228)

Sorry, I just don't see the reason for the frenzy. That said, I love music and listen to many artists over and over. Maybe I just didn't like his music.

I agree, he died and his music didn't.

Florida2's picture

(post #52613, reply #105 of 228)

I'm feeling the way you do Carole4. Since his predilection for sleeping with young boys came to light years ago, I have refused to listen to his music, just as I refuse to go to or rent Woody Allen movies since he began to date his stepdaughter. I just can't separate the man from the music or the man from the movie. Not only don't I want to send my money to these men, but I find I cannot enjoy listening to them, knowing what they have done-- it turns my stomach.


There are some things that I just will not  forgive or overlook in our fellow human beings:  Murder, child molesting, torture, kidnapping,  are right up there.  Being abused as a child helps us to understand his problems with little boys, but, for me, it doesnt excuse the problems.


Edited 7/4/2009 10:56 am ET by Florida2

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #106 of 228)

I read, or heard (for the life of me, can't remember which) that he was still an adolescent...frozen in time as a child, loving childish things.  Can you imagine an adult living in Neverland?  Perhaps he was innocently offering love to children, but so do the people of NAMBLA...and although the abuse might allow an insight into why he did these things, I agree that they still are unforgiveable.  To those who point out that he was found not guilty, I only say that money can buy a lot of justice.  After all, OJ was also found not guilty.



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Florida2's picture

(post #52613, reply #107 of 228)

Yes indeed.


When someone tells me that so and so is like a big kid, my antenna go up right away.

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #108 of 228)

I also say that any parent who let their child anywhere near that man should have their head examined.



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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #109 of 228)

Or at least have their bank accounts audited.




"And then, because of the transitive reactive Halstead-era seizing properties of the Aboriginal Double Humpback Turtle, I thought, what if I add one teaspoon of clarified monkey paste?" Anonymous blog comment on "America's Test Kitchen"

Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #110 of 228)

I'd go further - that any parent who allowed their child to spend the night with ANY adult male is a PP parent.


"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #111 of 228)

Unless the male happens to be the child's father or grandfather...and even then, they had better know what is going on. 



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Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #112 of 228)

You know, I thought the same thing. After my divorce, my kids stayed with their father. He was a good father, just not a good husband...:)

Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #113 of 228)

Yes, of course.  I should have made that exemption.  And I would say - if they are staying the night with a friend and the adult at home is that child's dad, that's different, too.


 



"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw


Edited 7/5/2009 8:29 pm ET by Biscuit

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #114 of 228)

I think we have to be real careful here. Not all male friends, relatives are pedophiles. I also think that we have to realize that kids staying overnight with friends does not have to become a big concern. My kids were never abused, sexually or physically and they stayed with a wide arrange of friends.

I also think because of this sick fascination with Jackson and his peculiarities, people are going to become obsessed with looking at every little thing and looking at every male with scrutiny that is not warranted. I have dealt with abused children, both sexually and physically, and I don't take this lightly. I have also dealt with children who were sexually abused by women.

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #115 of 228)

I think your point is well taken, but remember that the kids who spent the night with Michael Jackson were not visiting a friend or a relative, but a celebrity about whom their parents knew nothing (except perhaps that he had deep pockets and would pay them handsomely for the loan of their child.)  The parents make me sick.



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Carole4's picture

(post #52613, reply #120 of 228)

I agree. The parents wanted either money or their 15 minutes of fame. Sad situation, either way.