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MadMom's picture

he passed away this afternoon.



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dorcast's picture

(post #52613, reply #1 of 228)

I've heard that he is hospitalized, but alive.

AnnL's picture

(post #52613, reply #2 of 228)

According to my local news, he's dead.  :-(

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dorcast's picture

(post #52613, reply #6 of 228)

NBC just changed it's report to say that he has died. They are reporting from the LA Times.


Edited 6/25/2009 6:29 pm ET by Dorcast

ashleyd's picture

(post #52613, reply #7 of 228)

BBC now confirms it, how very tragic.


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(post #52613, reply #8 of 228)

two icons in one day...

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MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #9 of 228)

it is really sad, because he was a talented, nice-looking young man who became a freak.  i shall never forget molly ivins' comment about him.  where else but in america could a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman?  perhaps now he will find some peace.



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Florida2's picture

(post #52613, reply #10 of 228)

uh. Are we talking about the same Michael Jackson who was on trial for child molestation? I have no sympathies for what he did.


At least he will have no more child victims.


Edited 6/25/2009 7:58 pm ET by Florida2

Syrah's picture

(post #52613, reply #11 of 228)

Not really an appropriate post, since he was acquitted of those charges.

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Lee's picture

(post #52613, reply #12 of 228)

He had a great lawyer and was acquitted on the basis that the prosecution didn't prove it's case, not because they believed he was "not guilty" of the charges.  It's a big difference.  He was a great performer with an awesome degree of talent and he led a sad and strange life, but based on the tesitmony given at the trial as well as his own statements, he had a serious problem when it came to his relationships with young boys.


Edited 6/25/2009 10:28 pm ET by lee

Syrah's picture

(post #52613, reply #17 of 228)

I get all of that, I really do.

I'm tired and grumpy, and not really sure how to articulate what I was trying to say.

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My perseverance will be rewarded.

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Lee's picture

(post #52613, reply #18 of 228)

I think you were probably thinking that it's not nice to speak ill of the dead, which is isn't.  He was a strange man with huge talent and he's gone.  End of story.  Get some sleep.  You'll be smiling agin in the morning.  :0)

Syrah's picture

(post #52613, reply #20 of 228)

That's what sucks.. it's the afternoon.

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My perseverance will be rewarded.

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Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #30 of 228)

Well, I can't say I'm in mourning for the man he was the last fifteen or 20 years.  But I ADORED him back during his Thriller days, and saw him in concert, and he was absolutely a one-of-a-kind entertainer.  THAT man - and the little kid with Jackson 5, who I grew up watching, THAT guy is the one I am mourning.  He got too weird for me the last 15 or so years.


During his heyday, he was a fabulous entertainer and a gifted man.  What he became later when his demons overwhelmed him is a different thing, and made me very sad for him.  I don't think watching a gifted person be pulled down by their demons is something to judge him over, just something to feel compassion for.


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thecooktoo's picture

(post #52613, reply #31 of 228)

Took my four kids to see The Jackson Five at the Houston Fat Stock Show and Rodeo back in the 70's.  Oh My!  What a show they put on...and what a wonderful performer, at that time, Little Michael was.


What happened to him in later years is a real shame, but look at so many talented stars and the unfortunate end that they come to.


Jim

MadMom's picture

(post #52613, reply #33 of 228)

so many celebrities, like so many politicians, forget they are real people.



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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #34 of 228)

I'm just venting here, so feel free to ignore me, but I really don't give a flying **** about Michael Jackson. So the guy died. It's sad, yes, as any premature death is, but tragic? C'mon - what's happening in Tehran is tragic. The death by self-destruction of a has-been pop idol/probable pedophile is not.

Apologies again - my temper is up because the entire front section of our local, and once-upon-a-time "serious" newspaper this morning is devoted to stories about either Michael Jackson or Kate & Jon, whoever they are.




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jyang949's picture

(post #52613, reply #36 of 228)

I agree, there is 'way too much news coverage of this.

As for the Kate & Jon thing: I have never watched a "reality" show, probably never will, but I've inferred enough to wonder if Children's Services ought to step in.

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #39 of 228)

I think there is way too much news coverage of everything. LOL.


But (and I know I'll probably get smacked for this one, but I've never cared about that before and don't plan to start now, LOL) like it or not, Michael Jackson was an icon who changed the course of music and popular culture in a significant way. His death is at least as significant as Elvis's death.


It's very easy to crab about the cult of celebrity, but ultimately it's pissing into the wind. And taking a moment to focus on it doesn't and shouldn't take anything away fropm the more serious issues going on in the world.



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Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #44 of 228)

I've watched one or two, only because I was really curious how people handle having that many children of that age all at once.  Now I know - organization, organization, organization and routine, routine, routine.


I did see enough to say I think it's wrong to judge them, and that children services are NOT warranted.  They love those children.  They adore them.  They only did the show because financially they wanted the money to provide more security for them.  It proved more stress on their family than they could bear, obviously.  But those kids are loved and well cared for and they don't need the Government to step in and take them from their home, they just need the media to leave them the H*** alone.


JMNSHO, of course.


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thecooktoo's picture

(post #52613, reply #38 of 228)

I'm sure you meant to address your response to "All,"


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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #52613, reply #47 of 228)

Indeed.




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Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #43 of 228)

Apologies again - my temper is up because the entire front section of our local, and once-upon-a-time "serious" newspaper this morning is devoted to stories about either Michael Jackson or Kate & Jon, whoever they are.


That's fair - I'm irritated by it, too.  I think it SHOULD be a big story, but it shouldn't steal the headlines from the horrible things happening in Iran. 


Also - I just have to say this, and it's directed to all - I've never believed he was a pedophile.  I've actually worked with pedophiles before in my job as a legal clerk on both the defense and prosecution sides, and just based on what was out there for the general public to know, I've just not been able to believe he was a pedophile.  Was he highly inappropriate with children???  Absolutely!  I wouldn't have let MY child be around him.  But I truly believe he was just inappropriate (which is quite bad enough), not actually a pedophile.  And I believe his actions stemmed from him being still a child himself in all the ways that count.  But of course, this is all moot at this point.


Until a court could find him guilty of being a pedophile beyond a reasonable doubt, he wasn't.  Weird, creepy, odd, inappropriate and off-balance - absolutely, IMHO.


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Regality's picture

(post #52613, reply #45 of 228)

Until a court could find him guilty of being a pedophile beyond a reasonable doubt, he wasn't.  Weird, creepy, odd, inappropriate and off-balance - absolutely, IMHO


Agree. And maybe you could add "b a t s h i t crazy*"? 


*One of my favorite expressions since seeing the Jack in the Box ad with the menopausal woman. Yes, I know she says "street-rat crazy" but for some reason my mind always translates it to the above.  *L*



Edited 6/26/2009 11:37 am by Regality


Edited 6/26/2009 2:04 pm by Regality

Biscuit's picture

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(G) that, too.  I really found him to be so unbalanced the last decade or two.  And I thought it was really sad, and wondered what could have been - professionally, and musically - from him had he not tipped over into the Twilight Zone, you know?


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RuthWells's picture

(post #52613, reply #52 of 228)

"But I truly believe he was just inappropriate (which is quite bad enough), not actually a pedophile."

I'm curious where the dividing line is for you? In my mind, anyone who is sexually inappropriate with children is a pedophile -- how would you define it?

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Biscuit's picture

(post #52613, reply #53 of 228)

I didn't say "sexually inappropriate" - I said "inappropriate".  Sexually inappropriate IS pedophilia, IMO.  Inappropriate in say, an affectionate, but not sexual, way is different.  And it can mean different things to different people.


For example - and this isn't about children, simply an example - I have an uncle who pats everyone on the bottom, a gesture - to him - of loving affection.  I personally find it highly inappropriate and very uncomfortable.  Is it sexual?  No.  But it IS inappropriate.


What about a father who allows his teenage daughter crawl into bed with him at night if she has a nightmare?  Not cuddling, just sharing a bed.  To them, perfectly innocent - he has no sexual feelings toward his daughter, he's allowing his child some comfort.  But some people would see that and scream "INAPPROPRIATE!!!".


Everything I heard and everything I read that MJ did sounded HIGHLY inappropriate to me.  I once had to work on a prosecutorial team against a man that we all agreed was a badly damaged individual, someone I can honestly say reminds me of MJ in most ways.  He was so badly damaged that he was mentally stuck at about age 12.  He saw children as his peers, not as victims or as children at all.  He didn't really see himself as an adult, and he treated all other adults deferentially and with respect, because to him, they WERE adults, he was the child.  His behaviors that landed him in trouble stemmed from this disconnect.  I won't go into more detail than that, but this particular case and a couple others I worked on caused me to see the MJ case perhaps in a different light than most.


Understand - not advocating or applauding or even excusing his behavior.  I'm just not certain it was criminal so much as highly inappropriate.


And, again, it's JMO, and I do think the point is moot now.



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Edited 6/26/2009 1:00 pm ET by Biscuit

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

RuthWells's picture

(post #52613, reply #56 of 228)

I understand -- I assumed that you gave credence to the reports of his touching those young boys sexually, which is why I was confused.

Personally, I DO believe that he was sexually inappropriate.

Ruth Wells


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Marcia's picture

(post #52613, reply #55 of 228)

You speak for me, and most eloquently, thank you.

roxanna's picture

(post #52613, reply #32 of 228)

 What he became later when his demons overwhelmed him is a different thing, and made me very sad for him.  I don't think watching a gifted person be pulled down by their demons is something to judge him over, just something to feel compassion for.


beautifully said, Biscuit.

TracyK's picture

(post #52613, reply #35 of 228)

I think this sums up my feelings pretty perfectly:


By Andrew Sullivan, The Daily Dish:


There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.


But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.


I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.


I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.


I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again.



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