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msm-s's picture

In a speech by someone i didn't recognize, he was just referred to as "America's go-to guy" WTF?

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #74 of 254)

Why would he bother googling?  He'ld prefer to believe his own little spin.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

msm-s's picture

(post #50803, reply #76 of 254)

Thanks so much for the links!

Ain't CT wunnerful? ;-)

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #72 of 254)

It was Sarah Palins job as mayor to attract funds for her city.


Then WHY is she LYING about it?!


Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

samchang's picture

(post #50803, reply #79 of 254)

>He hasn't done anything since being in office. Please list for me the pieces of legislation he has authored...not the ones he added his name too. Name me the legislation introduced and passed in the Illinois state legislature by Obama during an 8 year stint in office.<

Jim, don't go here because, as Biscuit has already shown, you'll be proven wrong. And this is perhaps the worst thing in my book that the GOP is doing right now: deliberately lying--this goes beyond distortion--about the factual record.

Why do they have to stoop so low?

Why would you want to vote in those people who have to consistently lie about their opponent's record?

Biscuit's picture

(post #50803, reply #80 of 254)

That's what bothers me, too.  The distortion - okay, expected.  But out-right lies?  It makes me sad, to be perfectly honest.


Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
- Mark Twain

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #81 of 254)

The lies?  They've worked before, because so many people go no further than their email inbox, glibly passing on the information that Obama (which sounds a lot like Osama, you know) is a Muslim, not qualified to be the US president according to the constitution, and he's never done anything.  Then they praise the gun-toting moose-hunting governor of Alaska, who has probably told more lies in a week than Obama has in a year.  Then there's McCain, who brags that he's voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time, more than many of his Republican colleagues.  Do they really want four more years of decline? 



Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Marie Louise's picture

(post #50803, reply #82 of 254)

Obama has a bold and risky addition to his campaign speeches, after correcting their record. "You can't just make stuff up" and "Do they think you're that stupid?"

It is risky, but I think it might just work.

Scroll down, here's the video clip: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/06/obama-takes-first-direct_n_124507.html


Edited 9/7/2008 5:06 pm by Marie Louise

evelyn's picture

(post #50803, reply #83 of 254)

that story changed on me to a new one.  Apparently Palin attended 5 colleges in 6 years before graduating.  That's a pretty poor record for an undergraduate degree by anyone's standards.  Seriously not impressed.


Of course, there is the possibility that, Palin having attended that many schools in 6 years for an undergraduate degree may make her better-educated than Obama, who attended fewer schools to achieve ALL of his degrees combined.  He only attended (and graduated from) Columbia and Harvard. ;-)



There is no mistaking a real book when one meets it - it is like falling in love.  Christopher Morley


Edited 9/7/2008 5:24 pm by evelyn

In life, learn the rules so that you know how to break them properly.
Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #84 of 254)

How enlightened and yet so very elitist of you.

evelyn's picture

(post #50803, reply #85 of 254)

you have to start drawing the line somewhere, Napie.  It would be good sense to vote in an American President with a brain - and knowing how to use it.  Look at all the problems you've been having with Mr. Bush.

There is no mistaking a real book when one meets it - it is like falling in love.  Christopher Morley

In life, learn the rules so that you know how to break them properly.
MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #86 of 254)

Napie supports anyone who will promise him a tax cut, brain or not. 



Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #87 of 254)

AMEN sister!!!!  Now that dog'll hunt!

RuthWells's picture

(post #50803, reply #88 of 254)

And this attitude truly disgusts me. I'm not piling on Napie, here. But will cite as an example one of the owners of my company, whom I like a lot and for whom I have loads of respect -- a gay man in his late 40s, socially liberal, sits on the Board of his local Planned Parenthood and is quite active with them. He's voting Republican because he's terrified of the cap gains tax rate going up, and as a business owner, that could affect his pocket book.

Fachrissakes.

Ruth Wells


"Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job."
 - G.B. Shaw


www.lemonade-and-kidneys.blogspot.com


http://walk.pkdcure.org/goto/ruthwfischer

Ruth Wells

"Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job."
 - G.B. Shaw

www.lemonade-and-kidneys.blogspot.com

www.ruthssweetpleasures.com

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Canuck's picture

(post #50803, reply #89 of 254)

If citizens believe that they truly do live in the best country in the world, don't they think they need to contribute to that? How will you maintain your infrastructure, defence (I know that's a big one with Republicans), and education? Never mind anything else.


How can he be socially liberal and vote that way?


Sigh. I will never understand that logic.

Biscuit's picture

(post #50803, reply #90 of 254)

You're kidding me?  He's voting for strictly voting issues?  Tell him when our country is bankrupt, he won't have to worry about his capital gains taxes anymore.

Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
- Mark Twain

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #95 of 254)

Did it ever occur to you that some people might just like to keep some of what they earn?  Remember, 50% of the income taxes in the US are paid by just 2% of the population.  It is even worse when it comes to investment income.  I’m not going to get into a tax debate here, I have been down that road a few times to many and we all just get frustrated because neither side will ever understand the other.  But you must acknowledge that taxes are a real issue with some of us and we cross all the political spectrums as shown by your boss.  None of us mind at all paying our fair share.  But we just disagree on what constitutes “fair”.

RuthWells's picture

(post #50803, reply #99 of 254)

"Did it ever occur to you that some people might just like to keep some of what they earn?"

I completely understand the impulse, but cannot agree with individual selfishness trumping the possibility of so much potential for misery and suffering if social programs are rolled back. I am stunned to find this hypocrisy in my boss, a liberal, feminist gay man.

But I guess that if there is one overarching theme in American politics of the last several decades, it's "Me first."

Ruth Wells


"Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job."
 - G.B. Shaw


www.lemonade-and-kidneys.blogspot.com


http://walk.pkdcure.org/goto/ruthwfischer

Ruth Wells

"Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job."
 - G.B. Shaw

www.lemonade-and-kidneys.blogspot.com

www.ruthssweetpleasures.com

http://www.pkdcure.org/Default.aspx?TabI...

MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #100 of 254)

Until the tax rate exceeds 100%, everyone will keep some of what they earn.  It seems that Napie just wants to keep more than what I see as his fair share.



Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #134 of 254)

I’m so glad that you have become the arbiter of what is fair.  Now that you have crowned yourself queen of righteousness please understand that if you take more, I will produce less.  If the juice ain’t worth the squeeze, then I stop squeezin’…  

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #133 of 254)

You call it selfish, I call it responsibility.  But remember, Ayn Rand is a hero of mine.  Enlightened self interest is my motto.  And as I often have said, if you personally believe that there should be more action by the government to help then I’m sure they will take your donation.  I say if that is what people want then let every person give to the government as they see fit I’m sure they’d be happy to take more of your money.  Give more, make up for your boss, put your money where your mouth is and be happy!

AJ12754's picture

(post #50803, reply #146 of 254)

Color me unsurprised that Rand is your hero.


She certainly was self-interested.  Just not enlightened.


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

gourmand's picture

(post #50803, reply #151 of 254)

This was funny.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I


 Growing old is inevitable, Growing up is optional.

 Growing old is inevitable, Growing up is optional.

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #153 of 254)

Ahh, yet again another example of tolerance toward another’s views.  If it doesn’t agree with your position it is only worthy of scorn and ridicule.

evelyn's picture

(post #50803, reply #154 of 254)

Oh, for crying out loud, Napie - get a life!  Scorn and ridicule have been your middle names for as long as I have 'known' you on this site!


And I think you mean 'in'tolerance.


Start teaching tolerance, maybe it will happen.


There is no mistaking a real book when one meets it - it is like falling in love.  Christopher Morley

In life, learn the rules so that you know how to break them properly.
msm-s's picture

(post #50803, reply #155 of 254)

You are wasting your breath. Napie enjoys playing "gotcha" more than finding common ground. He doesn't seem to see intolerance OF intolerance as seeking to be tolerant...

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #156 of 254)

Just trying to keep up with you.

AJ12754's picture

(post #50803, reply #157 of 254)

What is intolerant about pointing out that Rand was not enlightened?  It's not a hard call when you read her stuff and then look at how Ayn Rand chose to live her life.  Lotta damage left in that woman's wake.


Try Kant. He isn't the easy read she is but he at least is worth the effort. You might find yourself embarrassed to have ever espoused Rand's swill.


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)



Edited 9/9/2008 9:27 am ET by aj12754

Cave obdurationem cordis

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #164 of 254)

I believe that it is a priori to be a conservative and that liberals force the themselve to adopt a unatrural view of the world to assuage some inner guilt they will not deal with by reasonable means.


 


Yes Rand was a bit nuts, OK a lot nuts but in a stricly theroetical sense I love the objectivist view. 

AJ12754's picture

(post #50803, reply #165 of 254)

Unfortunately we don't live in a theoretical world with theoretical wars and theoretical poverty and theoretical social problems.  Which is why Rand has never been dealt with in any serious way by either academics or policy-makers.


Unnecessary to add really that I find your view of liberal's "inner guilt" to be -- well...believe what you like...I disagree.


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #166 of 254)

I believe that it is a priori to be a conservative and that liberals force the themselve to adopt a unatrural view of the world to assuage some inner guilt they will not deal with by reasonable means.


 


WHAT?!?  I have an unnatural view of the world because of some inner guilt?!  Wow.  You are amazing.  When did you get your psychology degree?  Good grief.


 


Conservatives do not want change.  So, given that definition, if it weren't for liberals we would still be paying taxes to the Queen. Actually, we would all probably be living in caves. 


Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux