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msm-s's picture

In a speech by someone i didn't recognize, he was just referred to as "America's go-to guy" WTF?

TracyK's picture

(post #50803, reply #33 of 254)

Thank heavens. I hate seeing a good song ruined.

CT poster in bad standing since 2000.

Lee's picture

(post #50803, reply #34 of 254)

I thought McCain's acceptance speech was perhaps the strangest I've ever heard in that he was castigating the way his own party has been doing business for the past 8 years or more, but I thought the entire convention was strange and quite scary.  So much anger and hostility emanated from the convention floor and from the various speakers, so many of the things said about the Obamas and Dems in general were twisted and flat out lies, so much invective was hurled at the Obamas personally and at Obama's character, rather than at his positions, that I really was taken aback.  The entire tone of the convention was just plain ugly.


I don't agree with many of McCain's positions, but I've always admired and respected him as a man of integrity, a straight talker, as he likes to reminds us, a man who puts his country ahead of political ambition, a man willing to stand up for what he believes is right even if it means bucking the party line, a man who doesn't think "bipartisanship" is a dirty word, a man who has prided himself on refusing to adopt or be connected with the sleaze and tawdry tactics of too many political campaigns.  So, I asked myself last night, who is in control of the Republican party these days, the presidential nominee who is supposed to lead the way, his running mate who describes herself as a pit bull with lipstick, or Karl Rove and his minions?   Is this the tone we can expect to continue in Washington if McCain is elected? 


E.G Dionne's column in today's Washington Post says it far better than I can:


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090402842.html?sid=ST2008090500237&s_pos=

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50803, reply #35 of 254)

I guess you didn't watch the Dem convention, then,did you.  I saw the same invectives thrown at the Republicans.  Even one of McCains best friends in the Senate threw every thing at him except outright curse words in the VP acceptance speech.  Those were attacks on character, not on issues.  They have even attacked his character by saying that serving his country doesn't qualify him to be President.  But then I guess being a member of the State Senate and skipping 160+ votes so nobody knows your position on issues does.


To me the scariest thing I have ever seen is Obama accepting the nomination for a position I don't even  consider him remotely qualified for. 


Isn't it wonderful that not only beauty, but polical acumen, is in the eye of the beholder.  What satisfies you scares me to death.


Jim

MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #36 of 254)

I think Jon Stewart said it best in his interview with Mike Huckabee (who, BTW, would have been a much better VP candidate than Sarah Palin - thank heaven McCain wasn't smart enough to pick him!) - in commenting about the constant call for change, he commented that evidently the Republicans are the only ones who can clean up the mess the Republicans have made of this country.  He also mentioned the last two years under a Democratic congress, but neglected to mention they have been thwarted at every turn by the Republicans.



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And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Gretchen's picture

(post #50803, reply #46 of 254)

Huckabee is a hoot, and don't EVER try to trade "one liners" with a southern preacher. He'll get you every time.
The interview with him was great, and I always like the way it "works out" with Jon Stewart. There isn't a big GOTCHA, no matter who it is . He is respectful of his guests.

Gretchen

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Risottogirl's picture

(post #50803, reply #47 of 254)

I just cannot help but like Huckabee. I am at neary polar opposites with his views on everything, but I cannot help it. I would not want him to run the country, but I'd just love to sit down and break bread with him.


There is a guy who works in our other office in western MA and he is a Mormon bishop.  He was assigned to my staff for a lengthy assignment in LA last year and he wasn't thrilled but I won him over :)  His views on pretty much EVERYthing are  SO VERY different from mine, but I admire and adore him because he is intelligent and articulate and he can explain his POV well. And he is not a whiny, ranty nutjob, like so many of the other looney neo-conservative folks I work with.  A colleague from CA called today to say she was going to be working with him soon and what was my scoop on him -he is a TOTAL LEFTY but I said she'd love him.


I'd really like to hear his thoughts on Sarah Palin. We have had some lively conversations about our former governor, Mitt Romney.  He and one old friend from culinary school are my favorite uber-conservatives... I really relish their POV because I respect them so much. We rarely agree (though I am hardly a flaming liberal) but I am always interested in their POV.


 


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Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #50 of 254)

He also mentioned the last two years under a Democratic congress, but neglected to mention they have been thwarted at every turn by the Republicans.


 


Do you think you could let that go????  The dem’s are in the leadership and they have a 9% approval ratting.  It could never be THEIR fault the congress is ineffective now could it?  And you call me partisan, you are the queen of cognitive dissonance.

msm-s's picture

(post #50803, reply #52 of 254)

Yeah, let's let it all go. An empty memory would certainly help the cause of getting Republicans elected.

MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #53 of 254)

Okay, I'm supposed to let it go, but I can just hear you whine if we had a Democratic president who threatened to veto everything and a Republican majority in Congress who couldn't get anything through without a veto-proof majority, not a single vote one.  You may call that "cognitive dissonance" but I call it a fact.


The simple fact is, as someone pointed out the other day, Congress as a whole has a 9% approval rating, but 90% of the incumbents get re-elected.  Until we stop that, we are going to continue to get the worst government money can buy.  Until we forget about people bringing home pork to their district (at the expense of everyone) we are going to get exactly what we deserve.




Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!
Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #54 of 254)

I do agree that all politics is local, if it your district getting the pork, then it looks pretty good.  But if cutting that process out is a goal, then McCain is your man, he has a track record of voting against earmarks and Obama is pretty much the opposite.  Many of those veterans’ bills he voted against were loaded with pork that had NOTHING to do with the VA that was why he took the unpopular stand against them.


 


I live in a state that receives $0.85 in federal spending per $1.00 sent to Washington; NJ is lowest at $0.55. New Mexico is highest at $2.00, and our favorite Robert Byrd is next in West Virginia at $1.83.

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50803, reply #55 of 254)

McCain has stated clearly that he will sign no bills that include earmarks.  That's a pretty tough stance.  Obama could never make that promise, even if he wanted to, because his Dem congress would override any vetoes.  Besides, if he doesn't then they won't send any of his programs through.


McCain can go straight to the people to get pressure on Congress, Obama can't do that.


Jim

MadMom's picture

(post #50803, reply #56 of 254)

Okay, explain to me how the "Democratic controlled congress" can override any vetos, if they remain with their slim majority.  And if McCain could go "straight to the people" why hasn't he done that in the years he's been in Congress?  John McCain used to be a maverick, but he isn't any longer.  He might oppose earmarks (which I personally think would be a higher priority for a Congressional amendment than gay marriage or flag burning) but he certainly hasn't voted against Bush much.  BTW, love how Palin has switched her mind on the Bridge to Nowhere...sort of like Kerry, she was for it before she was against it, but she kept the money, anyway.  And what about the millions in pork for tiny Wasilla?  How does that figure?  Oh yeah, everyone else does it, I suppose.



Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #57 of 254)

Because congressmen do not go direct to the people, presidents do, which is what would be known as the bully pulpit.   Of course he has not voted against his party very often, and neither has Obama, that is why you have political parties.   And yes Palin kept the money and Alaska has a LONG way to go to catch up with Byrd and West Virginia.  Lots to go around here and Obama is just as guilty in his very short time in the Senate for sending the pork home.

Gretchen's picture

(post #50803, reply #58 of 254)

You REALLY know how to do apples and oranges, along with the occasional red herring.

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Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #59 of 254)

Sorry, but not any different from the leaps of logic I have seen from you…

Gretchen's picture

(post #50803, reply #62 of 254)

I'd appreciate a quote.  Dare ya.

Gretchen

Gretchen
Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #64 of 254)

Sorry, not important enough for me to keep a catalog of.

AJ12754's picture

(post #50803, reply #75 of 254)

So -- it's important enough to you to post an accusation but you can't be bothered -- it's "not important enough" -- to substantiate it. 


Quel surprise.


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #77 of 254)

Yeah, pretty much.

AJ12754's picture

(post #50803, reply #78 of 254)

How Swift Boat of you.


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #60 of 254)

Who the heck cares about Byrd and WV??  And, while Obama may have his share of pork, he's not the one campaigning on the premise that he turned down said pork.  If she rejected the pork, she should have rejected the money, also, especially if she's going to go around making holier than thou statements about being above that sort of thing.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #61 of 254)

I do, I care what each party does, what is says and what it stands for.  For that reason I have dropped my membership in the Republican Party, they are not the party I joined, so I’m gone. So if Obama is participating in the pork fest but he doesn’t preach against then it is ok???  

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #63 of 254)

No, didn't say it's OK.   Problem with Palin is that she is preaching holier than thou and saying that she turned down the pork, when that's just plain not true.   So, not only does she try for the pork, but then she lies about it.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Napie's picture

(post #50803, reply #65 of 254)

Are saying hypocrisy is confined to the McCain camp only?

msm-s's picture

(post #50803, reply #66 of 254)

I want to klnow how we agree to define pork. Our elected officials are supposed to work for certain maintenance, improvements and opportunities in their states. Some critics have come to use the term pork too broadly, instead of just when it is wasteful or goes to too narrow a special interest group.

AnnL's picture

(post #50803, reply #67 of 254)

No, just the bald faced lies.  They all lie to some extent.  I don't believe for a minute that Obama can do all that he says he will do.  But, I don't believe he's lied about his experience or what he has done while in office.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50803, reply #68 of 254)

He hasn't done anything since being in office.  Please list for me the pieces of legislation he has authored...not the ones he added his name too.  Name me the legislation introduced and passed in the Illinois state legislature by Obama during an 8 year stint in office.


It was Sarah Palins job as mayor to attract funds for her city.  She did her job.


 

Gretchen's picture

(post #50803, reply #69 of 254)

One note one note one note.  Can he inspire people and legislators to finally enact legislation that is needed to protect our infrastructure and our population?  I think it might happen. I DO know that this administration and those allied with it has put our country and our economy in DEEP trouble, and it may be time for a change--a real one, not tied to GWBush, as McCain most certainly is. 
AND I voted for that administration, and have become increasingly disheartened by it.

Gretchen

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Biscuit's picture

(post #50803, reply #70 of 254)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate


Here's a start.  I cross-checked as much as possible against Congresspedia and also against the Senate's own website.


 


Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
- Mark Twain

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

Biscuit's picture

(post #50803, reply #73 of 254)

Here's another - older, but still - good substance.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html


Google and you can find lots of stuff he's done, supported, written, authored, co-authored, etc.


 



Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
- Mark Twain


Edited 9/7/2008 12:09 pm ET by Biscuit

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw