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Here is an email making its rounds amongst women. Feel free to email to womensaynopalin@gmail.com per the advice below.


 


Subject: Women Against Sarah Palin

Friends, compatriots, fellow-lamenters, We are writing to you because of the fury and dread we have felt since the announcement of Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. We believe that this terrible decision has surpassed mere partisanship, and that it is a dangerous farce-on the part of a pandering and rudderless Presidential candidate-that has a real possibility of becoming fact. Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of what Ms. Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for ourselves and for our present or future daughters. To date, she is against sex education, birth control, the pro-choice platform, environmental protection, alternative energy development, freedom of speech (as mayor she wanted to ban books and attempted to fire the librarian who stood against her), gun control, the separation of church and state, and polar bears. To say nothing of her complete lack of real preparation to become the second-most-powerful person on the planet. We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin as a woman, a mother, or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but solely as a rash, incompetent, and all together devastating choice for Vice President. Ms. Palin's political views are in every way a slap in the face to the accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers so fiercely fought for, and that we've so demonstrably benefited from. First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She does not demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women. It is presumed that the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket could win over women voters. We want to disagree, publicly.


 


 Therefore, we invite you to reply here < womensaynopalin=< mailto:womensaynopalin@gmail.com > with a short, succinct message about why you, as a woman living in this country, do not support this candidate as second-in-command for our nation. Please include your name (last initial is fine), age, and place of residence. We will post your responses on a blog called 'Women Against Sarah Palin,' which we intend to publicize as widely as possible. Please send us your reply at your earliest convenience-the greater the volume of responses we receive, the stronger our message will be. Thank you for your time and action. VIVA! Sincerely, Ellen Rosten womensaynopalin@gmail.com **PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY! If you send this to 20 women in the next hour, you could be blessed with a country that takes your concerns seriously. Stranger things have happened.

Isabelle Rapin, M.D.
Professor, Neurology and Pediatrics (Neurology)
K 807, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
1300 Morris Park Avenue
Bronx NY 10461 USA


Edited 9/11/2008 5:36 pm ET by Florida2

Florida2's picture

(post #50848, reply #63 of 161)

Ann, I still do think she is missing some type of mothering chip in terms of choices she has been making. And, I can continue to critique it and feel sorry for the kids. I still cannot imagine electing to travel the country with a pregnant 17 yr old and an infant at home. But, thats just me.


 Howver, that has nothing to do with whether she is qualified for VP or Pres.

evelyn's picture

(post #50848, reply #81 of 161)

Bravo!  I like the way you think!

There is no mistaking a real book when one meets it - it is like falling in love.  Christopher Morley

In life, learn the rules so that you know how to break them properly.
SallyBR1's picture

(post #50848, reply #87 of 161)

This is an interesting point that you bring. However, you are assuming that the teachers would do a good job showing the difference between what is scientific and what is not. I am not sure this would happen in some parts of this country.

"Her green thumb was so black, she couldn't even grow zucchini"



(Glenys, August 2008).
AJ12754's picture

(post #50848, reply #147 of 161)

Would that the schools had time -- but there is enough to do in biology just addressing the actual scientific critiques of evolutionary theory ... the ones that will advance the science and not ideology.


 


The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

Gretchen's picture

(post #50848, reply #42 of 161)

It is fine if that is all what you espouse Jim, and it is fine if that is what she espouses. BUT we get to find it out so we can decide if we want leaders who think like this.

Gretchen

Gretchen
AnnL's picture

(post #50848, reply #44 of 161)

...but if any other candidate was treated the way she has been, man or woman, you guys would be raising hell. 


If a man with as little experience and qualifications as she has had been selected, we would be raising ALOT more hell!  He would be torn to bits, chewed up and spit out.  She's played the "girl" card so she's been getting by.  And, I AM a feminist.  I was appalled at the misogyny that Hilary was faced with.  I've pointed out that her decision to go back to work 3 days after giving birth and her 17 yo daugher's pregnancy are not relevant to her qualifications.  So, don't accuse me of being against her for being a woman.  There are plenty...OK, some, conservative women that I admire and respect.   I admire Palin for what she has done with her life and what she has accomplished. But, she is NOT remotely qualified for VP and she does not represent my political viewpoints.  McCain does not represent my political viewpoints.  If there was a website, Women Against McCain, I would support that also.  His record on women's issues is appalling!


It's absurd that anyone could really seriously accept that because Russia is close to Alaska, and, in fact, you can actually SEE Russia from Alaska that that qualifies Palin to sit across a negotiating table from Putin!  It's RIDICULOUS!! Male or female,  it does not equate to foreign policy experience. 


Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Canuck's picture

(post #50848, reply #45 of 161)

Well I can see NY state from the end of my street across Lake Ontario! We're having an election too, so I'm thinking of becoming a foreign policy expert. And I'm a chick, with reading glasses, and I've been on the PTA, so I've got it all going on.


You mean I can't do it? LOL.


Edited 9/12/2008 4:15 pm ET by Canuck

Risottogirl's picture

(post #50848, reply #47 of 161)

Hee!


Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

AJ12754's picture

(post #50848, reply #30 of 161)

You think the letter is full of misstatements but point to none.

The trouble today is that almost everyone is famous and almost no-one is interesting. (paraphrased Tina Brown)

Cave obdurationem cordis

Risottogirl's picture

(post #50848, reply #11 of 161)

It really is a chain letter, IMO.


A typical chain letter consists of a message that attempts to induce the recipient to make a number of copies of the letter and then pass them on to one or more new recipients. A chain letter can be considered a type of meme. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain letter


Although I somewhat agree with the sentiments expressed in the letter, I don't think it is appropriate to post it in this forum.


Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Florida2's picture

(post #50848, reply #13 of 161)

The definition from wikipedia of chain letter is:


"A typical chain letter consists of a message that attempts to induce the recipient to make a number of copies of the letter and then pass them on to as many recipients as possible. ...Common methods used in chain letters include emotionally manipulative stories, get rich quick pyramid schemes and exploitation of superstition to threaten the recipient with bad luck...if she "breaks the chain" and refuses to adhere to the condition set out in the letter"


(It goes on to explain the illegality of some types of chains and the nuisance of clogging up the mail of chains.)


So, this letter I posted which I received from a friend by email, can only loosely be described as a chain. There are no threats, no get rich quick schemes--it's more like a campaign imo. Its a way of rapidly disseminating information about a petition drive via internet.--imo.


 


Edited 9/11/2008 8:39 pm ET by Florida2

Risottogirl's picture

(post #50848, reply #16 of 161)

I know what it says, I read the whole thing. I still think it is a chain letter and doesn't belong on this site.

Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Ruebeau's picture

(post #50848, reply #60 of 161)

For GODSAKE!!!!  This post has NO place on a cooking site.  Keep your opinions to yourself unless it is regarding what baking flour you like best.  

ashleyd's picture

(post #50848, reply #61 of 161)

I would say that's fairly aggressive for a first post, want to make a post about cooking?


Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Florida2's picture

(post #50848, reply #62 of 161)

aw, its probly someone who is a regular poster and wanted to say that, but did not want his/her name affiliated with it. No problem. This is IPKE afterall. And, if one scans IPKE one will see loads of threads and posts that are very political.

Jean's picture

(post #50848, reply #71 of 161)

Member since 2/11/06 4 posts.



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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #50848, reply #72 of 161)

Interesting that the poster apparently takes no offense at a thread on the paralympics.





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Jean's picture

(post #50848, reply #73 of 161)

Yah, go figure.



A merry heart does good like a medicine: Prov. 22:17



http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

A  clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
help to provide free mammograms for women in need
ashleyd's picture

(post #50848, reply #80 of 161)

When I made my comment it was 1 post.


Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Age is unimportant unless you’re a cheese.

Jean's picture

(post #50848, reply #83 of 161)

I just checked and all posts were made on the 12th. Lurking all that time and pops in on this one. Hmmmm.



A merry heart does good like a medicine: Prov. 22:17



http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

A  clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
help to provide free mammograms for women in need
Ruebeau's picture

(post #50848, reply #66 of 161)

It being my first post is totally irrelevant.  I would be happy to make a comment on cooking if that was what you were talking about..........My point exactly.

Risottogirl's picture

(post #50848, reply #68 of 161)

Hey, you could make a comment on cooking in, say...one of the COOKING threads. Now there's an idea.


This thread is pretty clearly labeled.



Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay


Edited 9/12/2008 7:35 pm ET by Risottogirl

Water is a great ingredient to cook with, it has such a neutral flavor - Bobby Flay

Ruebeau's picture

(post #50848, reply #69 of 161)

What a lovely group of  "gals" here....discussing Palin's hairdo.....sad.....bet you can't cook either....go to Oprah.com...that's where you all belong.. ...ignore button( she sounds like a 2 year old)!!!!  So long!!!

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50848, reply #70 of 161)

OK, now that's five posts from you, every one of them hostile, and not one of them about cooking, LOL. (Pot meet kettle, as Syrah would say.)


Maybe this folder isn't for you. If you don't like the discussion, you're free to opt out of it.


But the hostility, really, it's offputting.

LydiaM's picture

(post #50848, reply #78 of 161)

It's amazing to me how someone talks against all this political crap going around, the "liberals" out there are so quick to call everyone "hostile" and tell them they should get off the posts  and they are now going to put them on ignore, however, I have seen MANY of you getting very hostile and downright dirty with the name calling and that's ok!!!  what gives here with the double standard...is it only those that agree with you guys get to speak their mind??


 And I can't believe you don't like Palin because of her hairstyle!!!  You have got to be kidding me!!!!! Gee, I don't like the big jewerly Michelle Obama wears...should I not like her now...Oh..I forgot, I dislike her cuz she doesn't like Americans!!!


And Hillary was in the white house and climbing that political ladder when her daughter was young, she certainly didn't stay home and bake cookies(which she admitted to) but no one says anything about that...it's just Palin who can't have a career and be a mom of young children...


Boy...I have heard lots of stories about liberals points of view, but tended to not judge...alot of you here have really taught me something!!!!  glad I'm conservative...and by the way...I taught my kids about Adam and Eve and God creating the world..listen to what they told you in school for the tests...but believe in God and the 6 days of creation...yeah...I'm Catholic too....probably another problem for people out there...


Go ahead..put me on ignore....

msm-s's picture

(post #50848, reply #79 of 161)

Well. I'm not tolerant of people who want to take rights away frome other people. This does not include the right to set science back hundreds of years, nor the right to buy weapons more powerful than necessary in any situation, nor the right to buy them without background checks and other completely reasonable safeguards. As someone willing to compromise, I can accept private gun ownership as a right, but within reason.

Re. Palin's motherhood vs carreer being an issue... SHE made it an issue by wrapping herself in that banner of vague but popular "Family Values". It is not that important to me, but it does make her look like a bit of a hypocryte, and no, Jean, with due respect, being VP is quite a stretch from your average 40-hr a week mom with just any job.

The hair? I had to laugh when i went shopping this week in the small conservative town where my parents live. That hairdo is suddenly everywhere.


Edited 9/13/2008 12:08 am ET by msm-s

Napie's picture

(post #50848, reply #88 of 161)

You hypocrite.   You are the one who screams the loudest about how one group should not be able to impose its view on another, but when it comes to subjects YOU don’t agree with you'er ready with the restrictions. Why do you get to decide?  If you want choice then why are you so willing to take if from anyone else?  Is it because I’m just ignorant trailer trash?  Of course you are enlightened and able to make the call for all of us knuckle draggers right.  You are unbelievable with your double standards.


 


The side comments about Pailin’s hairdo etc are really mature.  You define snarky.

msm-s's picture

(post #50848, reply #93 of 161)

Oh please, Napie. If people come off as snarky to you, it's because you make wild and terribly judgemental posts and they do not encourage ho-hum replies. You love pushing buttons and you know it. Generally I try not to reply to you because a reply is a sure invitation to a fight. I think I'll go back to not taking your bait.

I said nothing snarky or childish about that hairdo, which I find quite attractive. I DID find it amusing that in a town I've known since 1969 and never seen anyone wear their hair up in that fashion, suddenly the Palin-Hive was indeed everywhere. BTW, Palin-Hive is no more snarky than saying ' Farrah Fawcett Flip", which is what some of these women i saw had still been wearing. No snark, just the facts.

You don't like the way I think, but I'm not a screaming snarky hypocrite.


Edited 9/13/2008 10:08 am ET by msm-s

Napie's picture

(post #50848, reply #98 of 161)

You Madame are the poster child for hypocrisy.  And it is made all the worse by the fact you can not recognize it in your self. Snarky is your midddle name.


 


Unlike you, I know that I am a belligerent unlearned trailer trash knuckle dragger.  You need to spend some time in deep introspection.   

msm-s's picture

(post #50848, reply #101 of 161)

Coming from a self-described 'belligerent unlearned trailer trash knuckle dragger', your criticism will be taken with a grain of salt.