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CanadianCook's picture

Just saw this very powerful doc. All I can say is, uh, wow!...wow...


I also rented Blood Diamond, and I'm not sure which one is more frightening. I highly recommend it. There's no commentary a la, say, Michael Moore. The footage is just shot. It is as it is. And it's scary.


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Nightrider's picture

(post #47552, reply #1 of 72)

I found Jesus Camp to be very thought-provoking.  I was raised in an environment very similar to the one portrayed in the movie and so it hit pretty close to home.

Risottogirl's picture

(post #47552, reply #2 of 72)

I have been waiting for someone to bring up Jesus Camp - haven't seen it yet, but I saw a program on the filming of it when I was working out in southern Missouri a few months ago. I definitely want to see it.


 


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Regality's picture

(post #47552, reply #3 of 72)

This is the scariest movie I have seen in a decade.

 


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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #4 of 72)

It did have one of the scariest scenes I've seen -- the one where they take the tweens to a pregnancy counseling center that is next door to a clinic that provides abortions and they have the kids put their hands on the wall and start praying.

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Biscuit's picture

(post #47552, reply #5 of 72)

Wow.  Good way to start destroying your children.


I have seen bits and pieces of this film, and frankly, the parts I saw made me sick.  What those people were teaching those children is a perversion of true Christianity and to me, it seemed borderline child-abuse. 


I couldn't finish watching it.  It really disturbed me.


I did notice that that preacher who was later found to be snorting coke and having sex with a male prostitute was a key note speaker.  That was certainly an interesting note.


I'm not mean - you're just a sissy.

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

MadMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #6 of 72)

Ohhh, but he's been transformed...no longer gay, no longer snorts coke.  Isn't it wonderful what the power of religion can do?  Or delusional thinking?  Or losing the big bucks?  Take your pick.



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Nightrider's picture

(post #47552, reply #7 of 72)

 In that footage of him preaching, the guy looked like such a cold-hearted slime ball.  It was gross...he just about oozed sleaze.

soupereasy's picture

(post #47552, reply #25 of 72)

Not surprising. Never seen him, but I hear rehab can cure just about anything these days.

MadMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #26 of 72)

Wonder if the rehab is able to cure the sleaze-oozing factor? 



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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #8 of 72)

I used to go to a Goth nightclub that had a Christian youth group do the same thing; they'd hang out in the alley behind the club, lay hands on the wall and pray loudly for Satan to leave the poor, misguided souls of those inside.

Oh, and they'd videotape us without our permission, too. The adult in charge got arrested over that; filming without a permit and without getting our waivers.

The kicker - no one in their group had ever even been in the nightclub, so they had all these weird ideas of what went on it inside - none of which were true, of course.

 


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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #9 of 72)

You really wonder what it does to a 12 year old when the adults in his or her life place the responsibility for ending abortion on the strength of their prayers.


I remember sitting in church when my kids were small and the guest speaker got up and opened by saying that last year half a million mothers murdered their children.  My older girl was daydreaming as usual but my younger daughter looked at me scared and wondering if she could possibly have heard right.  I stood and marched both of them outta there and called the priest the next day and complained.  Fat lotta good it did -- the next year the same speaker was back with the same opening line.


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MadMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #10 of 72)

When I was a young teenager, I remember going to a church camp with my best friend.  (I won't mention the denomination, let's just say they're big in the south.)  First, I was taken out in a rowboat with two adults from the church who proceeded to ask me if I would swear to give up fornication.  I didn't even know what fornication was!  My best friend, whose mother, unfortunately, was having an affair with someone she worked for, was told that she (the young girl) would go to hell if she didn't convince her mother to stop the affair.  Like any young teenager could, or even should, be put in that position!  At church that night, they kept singing and singing and singing and nobody came forward.  Finally, I got tired of hearing the same song over and over again, so I went down - after all, I believed in God, so couldn't see what harm it would do.  They were on me like gravy on rice.  The next day I called my parents to come get me.  It was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life. 



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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #11 of 72)

Omigod -- that sounds awful.  I continue to wonder at the fundamentalism obsession with controlling women's bodies.  Would that they could just focus on feeding the poor and tending to the sick. And to be fair -- many of them do.

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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #47552, reply #12 of 72)

It seems to me that it's not just fundamentalists who are obsessed with controlling women - it seems to be the default setting for religion in general -- or maybe just for the Old Testament-based religions. Catholics, Muslims, Protestants (of the fundamentalist persuasion especially, but not exclusively), Mormons, they're all pretty much of a muchness when it comes to trusting women to have their own best interests at heart.





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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #13 of 72)

I really think that there is a fundamentalist group in almost every Abrahamic religion.


This is a hoot.  See "On the 8th day, God created peanut butter"


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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #47552, reply #14 of 72)

Wow. That gives new meaning to "over-simplification". Please tell me this guy doesn't teach science anywhere.





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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #15 of 72)

He may teach but it ain't science. 


Apparently he's never heard of vacuum packaging or preservatives -- wonder where he thinks mold comes from.


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MadMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #16 of 72)

What a genius.  Sort of like the preacher I sat next to on my last flight to Canada, who told me, in all seriousness, that carbon dating had been proven false.  Yeah, right.



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butterfingers's picture

(post #47552, reply #17 of 72)

This is what they sent me to as a kid. It was a requirement to attend in my Catholic high school. It was 100% brainwashing. They took your watch when you arrived. You got very, very little sleep. Every second of your day was spend in some religious activity.

It's complete indoctrination. And remember, I was sent on SEARCH retreats in the 80's. This stuff isn't new.

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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #18 of 72)

My brother had one of the worst "church" experiences I've ever heard.

The cruelty and sadism involved sicken me.

He's gay, and like most gay young men, struggled with his sexuality in high school. His sophomore year, he met a young lady with whom he shared his struggle. He dated her briefly, as I recall. We met her, and she seemed nice enough.

She never spoke to him of any abiding faith, or of going to church of any sort. Given the close nature of their friendship, and the secrets of the heart my brother was confiding in her, sharing her faith would seem obvious.

His junior year, she invites him to go to church with her. He accepts, as he's now accepted being gay, and is now on a more spiritual quest.

They travel to a literal backwoods church; to this day, Matthew can't tell where it was.

They get there, and the service starts as normal; a few hymns, some light preaching by lay people. Then the sermon starts - how gays are the Devil, and homosexuality an abomination - the usual bigoted garbage you hear in some places. But then it gets weird. Matthew is singled out of the congregation as a sinner, and told to come up and repent of his ways and accept Jesus as his savior. Seems he'd been this girl's project of some kind for over a year.

He goes to leave, and the doors are locked.

Somehow, he convinces them to let him go to the bathroom, and he escapes out a very small window, getting all scraped up in the process. He finds a paved road and hitchhikes to a mini-mart with a phone, calls a friend and gets a ride home.

I can't even imagine being betrayed by someone like that. All in the name of religion.

 


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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #19 of 72)

What a travesty of anything remotely Christian -- it's horrible to think that that girl thought she was "saving" your brother.

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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #20 of 72)

It really is. I've taken to saying, when I meet or am speaking of certain people, "real Christian" to keep them apart from crazy radicals.

Much as most Jewish people are not rabid Zionists, nor are most Muslims ready to strap on explosive vests to meet virgins in heaven, most Christians aren't wont to lock gay people in a church until they repent.

I just wish more of ALL moderate religionists (better word?) would speak up and silence the radicals, but alas, that is not the nature of being moderate, I suppose.

 


Save the Earth! It's the only planet with wine and chocolate.

 

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AJ12754's picture

(post #47552, reply #21 of 72)

Reminds me of Yeats' The Second Coming


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


"Truth is the engine of our judicial system." Patrick Fitzgerald

Cave obdurationem cordis

butterfingers's picture

(post #47552, reply #23 of 72)

I haven't read Yeats since college. Thanks for the reminder. I forgot all about that.

Biscuit's picture

(post #47552, reply #22 of 72)

The problem is, it doesn't do any good, Amy.  I wish it would.  All we can do is piss them off to the point they will form their own churches and leave us - the "real" Christians - alone.

I'm not mean - you're just a sissy.

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."  - George Bernard Shaw

StevenHB's picture

(post #47552, reply #61 of 72)

What do you mean by a "rabid Zionist"?  I've never heard the phrase before.


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MadMom's picture

(post #47552, reply #62 of 72)

I would suppose one could be a rabid Zionist, just like one could be a rabid Christian, or a rabid Muslim, or some extreme of any religion.  Fortunately, the vast majority of people are not "rabid" - they just practice their religion, which usually includes love and tolerance.



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ashleyd's picture

(post #47552, reply #63 of 72)

A rabid Zionist is a person that believes that Jerusalem and the state of Israel belongs unequivocally and exclusively to the Jewish people and that any attempt to dispossess them of their biblical inheritance should be met with extreme hostility.


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Rhea's picture

(post #47552, reply #64 of 72)

I just saw this thread and feel sick after reading about this movie..a couple of years back a Catholic woman that works with me went on a rampage about how every gay person was headed for the fire pit below and that her church had come out and said that "Your people" did not kill Christ."


Sometimes the stuff that comes out of this woman's mouth makes my skin crawl and feel that undying urge to let my fist fly...but in my mind I just say what my lawyer always says..."you're right-you idiot"


Is this movie in the mainstream? I remember a while back seeing a documentary about something similar....


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StevenHB's picture

(post #47552, reply #65 of 72)

I suppose that my question made clear that I don't much like the term.  Nonetheless, I'm not among the camp that believes that every square inch of the biblical "Land of Israel" must be in Jewish hands.


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