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Iron Chef--how 'bout that Ming guy

Gretchen's picture

It was really a neat episode I thought.  I had seen Ming prepare that Peking duck on one of his shows. It was gorgeous--and done in an hour!!  I think you have to give Bobby a break on this series--I think he's conducting himself very nicely.

Gretchen

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gjander's picture

(post #43207, reply #1 of 22)

I want to bring up my point about the 'secret' ingredient again.  So, I'm supposed to believe that they didn't know the secret ingredient in advance, but Ming had brought along his air compressor and just happen to have a stand set up with a fan blowing to dry out the skin on the duck.  Just in case.  Uh huh.


Edited 1/31/2005 9:54 am ET by GJANDER

TracyK's picture

(post #43207, reply #2 of 22)

Again, who cares?


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gjander's picture

(post #43207, reply #6 of 22)

Well, I guess I do or I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Gretchen's picture

(post #43207, reply #10 of 22)

Exactly.  It is a good show and I love recognizing ingredients.
I think the thing that was suggested that they tell them 5 possibilities would be the answer.  They had lobster available, which would be unusual when cooking duck--at least to ME!!

Gretchen

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SueL's picture

(post #43207, reply #3 of 22)

I can imagine how he would have had the compresser handy.
So we know he had no idea what the ingredient will be. But he could make educated guesses at the possibilities, and at least have a game plan ready for duck, chicken, squab, goose, turkey...(you get the idea). Who would do less and expect a win?

On a side note, I am wondering when Morimoto will appear, and if it will be against the expected Nobu?

Jean's picture

(post #43207, reply #4 of 22)

I happened to catch the Japanese version the other night, watched it with my GD and we were both impressed with the beautiful lady chef that was on. The panel had such wonderful comments about her presentations and many negative comments about the Iron Chef she was up against. I said--you watch, the iron chef will still win--she said, no way. Sadly, I was right again.  What a crock!


 


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Biscuits's picture

(post #43207, reply #7 of 22)

Again, it is my understanding that prior to the event they are given a list of 5 things the secret ingredient COULD be, so they can work on a game plan ahead of time.  If they got a list that said:  duck, tuna, pheasant, salmon, turkey - they'd have a good idea of the types of equipment to have on hand, just in case.

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gjander's picture

(post #43207, reply #8 of 22)

To me, it's hard to compare the contestants and evaluate the competition without knowing the exact circumstances they are competing in.  That's why I've brought up the question.  For anyone else who is interested, I found this blurb in an article in the New York Times.


Both teams are readier for the challenge than most viewers realize. They have come to Kitchen Stadium knowing that they will be cooking with one of two ingredients, striped bass or buffalo, a choice negotiated in advance with the network.


 

Biscuits's picture

(post #43207, reply #9 of 22)

Oh, so it's only TWO ingredients they are given a choice of ahead of time!  That makes sense. 


Well, even though it takes some of the edge off the competition, I have to say - having tried it in school - it is still darn difficult to create 5 complete dishes in one hour.  Even with their two sous chefs. 


It's still a fun show to watch.


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Gretchen's picture

(post #43207, reply #12 of 22)

AND it is 5 complete dishes, unlike the Asian version where they can choose the number they make.
I think it is a huge feat to make these dishes, even with their own sous chefs on hand. 
I also wonder how long they visit kitchen stadium to familiarized themselves with the setup.  I really like the show.

Gretchen

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Wolvie's picture

(post #43207, reply #13 of 22)

LOL - you are giving me ideas, kid.


Do you have a compressor??


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Biscuits's picture

(post #43207, reply #14 of 22)

I once used my blow-dryer to dry my duck when trying to make peking duck at culinary school (lol).  My instructor gave me extra points for being inventive (G).

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MEANCHEF's picture

(post #43207, reply #15 of 22)

All of that tire pump crap is totally unnecessary when making peking duck.

Wolvie's picture

(post #43207, reply #16 of 22)

hey - not too shabby!


I'll remember that (maybe, me being me) ;-)


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Biscuits's picture

(post #43207, reply #5 of 22)

I would have been really annoyed had Flay won this one, because it seemed clear to me that Ming was a better chef and had prepared better dishes.


Last night I tried to put aside my overall dislike of BF and watch him with fresh eyes - I truly did.  And - I saw two more things I don't care for about his cooking.  (a) I think his knife skills suck.  They are better than mine, but they suck compared to people like Bayless, Ming, Morimoto, Batalli, etc., - even Alton Brown.  Really.  I watched him cut up several things last night and - maybe he was in a hurry or whatever, but his knife skills are not very good for being an Iron Chef, and knife skills are a basic component of being a great chef. 


(b)  He's predictable.  Too predictable.  No matter what the secret ingredient, he makes the same dishes with the same ingredients over and over, just switching out the main ingredient.  The 4 times he's participated in an Iron Chef (2 with Morimoto and 2 with this show), he's made grits, he's made sweet-potato hash, he's put an egg on top of it, he's done the same plate presentations, he's used the same ingredients (cilantro, poblano, habenero, orange and green sauces, sweet potato, blue corn).    Even if I DID like him, I'd be bored with him by now. 


I can't help it - I just don't see this guy as an Iron Chef.  The Iron Chef is supposed to be at the top of his game.  I'm not saying BF isn't talented; he is.  But he's not at the TOP of the profession.  There are so many more talented chefs out there.


 


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Gretchen's picture

(post #43207, reply #11 of 22)

But he is a southwestern chef.  I sort of agree about the knife--that carrot chop surprised me.


And on another note that I can say something nice about one I don't like, Alton is a good commentator.  He's not allowed to mug for the camera, maybe like Bobby isn't allowed to jump up on the cutting board.


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Aberwacky's picture

(post #43207, reply #17 of 22)

Darn, darn, darn, I meant to watch it!!! I have a huge crush on Ming, and don't care much for Bobby Flay. We watched "Breaking Away" instead.  (Some disadvantages to being the only female in the house.) Oh well.  I'm sure they'll show it on a rerun.


So no one flat out said it, but did Ming win?  I hope I hope I hope?


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TracyK's picture

(post #43207, reply #18 of 22)

If you can't catch it on a rerun, I can record it to VHS off my TiVo and send it along... happy to do that! Just let me know!


 



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ehBeth's picture

(post #43207, reply #19 of 22)

I hadn't been paying much attention to this 'concept', was flippin' round the tv last night - Ming appeared - I gasped out loud (woke up one of the dogs) - and sat down to watch.

I've been sighing all day.

The food looked sample worthy as well. If anyone's in the area, his resto will be offering 3 (?) of the dishes from the show this week.

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AnnL's picture

(post #43207, reply #20 of 22)

But, did Ming win?  :-0


Hmmm, DH is going away, who can I ask to meet me at Blue Ginger this weekend?  Although, fat chance of getting in there, usually need to make reservations 3-4 weeks in advance.  :-(


I have a crush on him, also.  Love that grin.  And, he's really nice in person.


 


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Gretchen's picture

(post #43207, reply #21 of 22)

Oh, yeah, Ming won--and you knew it from the beginning in my opinon. His stuff was just SO beautiful to see, and you knew that Peking duck was not only gorgeious, but delicious.

Gretchen

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Aberwacky's picture

(post #43207, reply #22 of 22)

Yay!!!!


It's so nice when the right guy wins. 


Leigh

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