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SallyBR's picture

(post #42610, reply #1 of 170)

Is it your prediction? Did you have a bad lunch?


 

 

Jean's picture

(post #42610, reply #2 of 170)

Maybe a good hunch. ;)

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TracyK's picture

(post #42610, reply #3 of 170)

Ugh. I try to tell myself that so I won't be too disappointed when/if it happens... I like to keep my expectations low in an attempt to avoid being let down.


 



"Ignorance is born of not knowing and can be cured with education.
Stupidity is born of not caring and the only known cure is death."


--Unknown

meow's picture

(post #42610, reply #38 of 170)

:-(

Depressing thought, Mean. But like Tracy, I'd rather prepare myself than be so sorely disappointed.


Edited 9/10/2004 4:14 am ET by meow!

 

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JaneRI444's picture

(post #42610, reply #42 of 170)

DITTO.

rozzie's picture

(post #42610, reply #4 of 170)

What a depressing and saddening thought! I was a Dean supporter and now I will vote for Kerry. Don't believe everything you hear on the tv, radio and in print. Read between the lines. Keep the faith, and everyone you meet, I mean everyone, especially those who pump your gas, check you out at Wal-Mart, Sam's, Costco, the local post office, a co-worker, the child minder, the librarian, ask them to vote! Ask them are they registered to vote? Sometimes I feel I am preaching to the choir...am I surrounded by liberals? No way, as I live in New Hampshire, where we have a CEO of Cabletron for governor. A very republican state, that has a changing demography (yeah, the libertarians are going to relocate in northern NH). So, a word for Kerry, "Stand up for yourself and the democratic party and those that brung you!"

MadMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #5 of 170)

I agree.  Kerry was not my first choice, but Bush and his ilk certainly are my last choice...well, not even on my list of choices.  Enough damage has been done, to our economy, to our reputation, to our country...four years is enough. 

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Lily Tomlin

anneelsberry's picture

(post #42610, reply #6 of 170)

We had primaries yesterday.  Some good news, some bad.  The right-wing looney running against Rep. Kolbe (R. AZ, moderate, gay, veteran, stand-up kind of guy) lost, praise be.  But a real nut-job (I mean certifiably crazy -- I've dealt with several of his cases in court) won the primary to be the GOP candidate against Rep. Grijalva (D. AZ, traditional hispanic Dem, got in trouble because he didn't own a tie when it was time for the official Congressional portait).  Both of these elections center a lot on the federal response to illegal migration, rather than the war or the economy.

Somebody put a stop payment on my reality check!

Somebody put a stop payment on my reality check!

AnnL's picture

(post #42610, reply #7 of 170)

I pray you're wrong.


 


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Slip's picture

(post #42610, reply #8 of 170)

Don't give up.  They want you to give up, it's part of their strategy.

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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #9 of 170)

Well, with the way hurricane season is going, we won't have to worry about Florida voting. The machines will all be waterlogged.

 

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MadMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #10 of 170)

Doesn't matter anyway...Florida's vote will be determined by Jeb and the Supreme Court.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Lily Tomlin

Wolvie's picture

(post #42610, reply #22 of 170)

exactly.


I actually disagree with meanie - I think Kerry will win.


"We fed the heart on fantasy...the heart grew brutal on the fare" WB Yeats

 

JoanneB17's picture

(post #42610, reply #23 of 170)

You know, I alternate between despair (Bush wins) and joy (Kerry wins) and I've actually sent two contributions to Kerry--never before have I contributed to anyone in an election. I'm hoping that means other people are feeling as desperate. Bush's trainers are so vicious and righteous, I'm getting madder by the day.

I suggest reading the online New York Times today and looking at the interactive graphic on the people who have died in Iraq (Americans, anyway; no indication on the Iraqis or other people). It made me cry. It's a cyber Vietnam War Memorial.

Gretchen's picture

(post #42610, reply #24 of 170)

 suggest reading the online New York Times today and looking at the interactive graphic on the people who have died in Iraq (Americans, anyway; no indication on the Iraqis or other people). It made me cry. It's a cyber Vietnam War Memorial.


NPR is doing daily profiles of soldiers who have died which is sad beyond belief.  HOwever, and I do NOT mean this in any way other than an observation of something I experienced.  When we go to the beach we buy the NYTimes. After 9/11 for many many months they published small profiles of those who died in the Twin Towers.  As I read them, and particularly their ages--almost all my children's ages--I was totally overcome.


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MadMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #25 of 170)

I, too, have contributed both to the Kerry campaign and the local Democratic party, which is something I have never done before.  I find it almost laughable that the Republicans can accuse the Dems of "personal attacks."

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Lily Tomlin

Gretchen's picture

(post #42610, reply #26 of 170)

I find it almost laughable that the Republicans can accuse the Dems of "personal attacks."


Is it true?  Can they indeed accuse them because it is true?


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TracyK's picture

(post #42610, reply #27 of 170)

It might be true but it's DEFINITELY a pot/kettle situation. How anyone can lambast someone else for a sin that they themselves have committed NUMEROUS times is just beyond gall IMO (and yes, this applies to all parties).


"Ignorance is born of not knowing and can be cured with education.
Stupidity is born of not caring and the only known cure is death."


--Unknown

MEANCHEF's picture

(post #42610, reply #29 of 170)

Both sides are guilty, but thats politics.  What the Dems are doing to Ralph Nader does not please me at all.

SallyBR's picture

(post #42610, reply #30 of 170)

But don t you think that Nader accepting help from Republicans to get into ballots in states in which he had ZERO chance of getting enough signatures is plain wrong? For someone who likes to portray himself as the guardian of decency and above all the dirt of "normal politics", I find that disgraceful. That alone would make me never vote for him


 


 

 

TracyK's picture

(post #42610, reply #31 of 170)

To borrow from Gene Weingarten, Nader needs to take a relaxing, cross-country excursion in a 1963 Chevy Corvair.  Despite his best intentions, what he is doing is unequivocally bad for the country, ESPECIALLY for anyone who opposes Shrubya. If he can't come to that realization on his own, he is an idiot and he deserves what he gets.


(funny column: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30130-2004Aug24.html )


IMO, we simply do not have the luxury of indulging third-party candidates in tilting at windmills when so much is at stake.



"Ignorance is born of not knowing and can be cured with education.
Stupidity is born of not caring and the only known cure is death."


--Unknown

MadMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #33 of 170)

I just had a discussion this morning with a lovely lady whom I love dearly, who insisted to me that "God caused the war in Iraq" in order to put our Christian soldiers over there to minister to the godless heathens so they could get into heaven.  I almost vomited.  It just amazes me that in this day and age there are still people who believe in a God who is so heartless that He would use a brutal senseless war to convert people...not that we've done much conversion there, either to Christianity or to democracy!  I tried to discuss free will and the opportunity to make horrific mistakes, but met with blank looks which plainly told me she was voting for Dubya to keep God in the White House. 

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Lily Tomlin

Geoffchef's picture

(post #42610, reply #35 of 170)

Modern democracy = the rule of the lowest common denominator.

 


 


The Arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold.


-Robert W. Service

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

rozzie's picture

(post #42610, reply #36 of 170)

Democracy means nobody gets everything they want.

Geoffchef's picture

(post #42610, reply #40 of 170)

Except, maybe, the lawyers!

 


 


The Arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold.


-Robert W. Service

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

rozzie's picture

(post #42610, reply #51 of 170)

Yeah, you are right there. But I have numerous lawyer friends (environmental, criminal, legal aid, civil liberties, child advocates, d-i-v-o-r-c-e, etc.) who do pro-bono work and they are the salt of the earth. I cannot paint all lawyers with the same brush.

Geoffchef's picture

(post #42610, reply #52 of 170)

Nor can I, but I get my lawyer jokes from my brilliant, activist lawyer nephew.

 


 


The Arctic trails have their secret tales that would make your blood run cold.


-Robert W. Service

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

rozzie's picture

(post #42610, reply #54 of 170)

My husband and I used to have our own business. We always put an advert in the newspaper on the fourth of July, "Let us now thank those who preserve our freedoms, men (and women) in suits, not boys with guns". Many people would thank us for those ad, those that didn't never shopped with us anyway.

Lword's picture

(post #42610, reply #37 of 170)

Sigh. Does your friend also think that the terrorists believe the same? After all, don't they get 72 virgins and other religions get none?


Had Nader gotten into the race where he could have debated, his issues would be more in the forefront. He has some excellent issues but doesn't have the corporate money to back him. He's a spoiler now as even if 50% of the population endorsed his views and voted for him, well, you know. 


I'm not against corporate backing, but maybe all individuals should become corporations for the benefits.


If Ivan hits Florida and they can't vote, or some other catastrophe hits, I think Bush could call off the election and just stay in office (someone will have the link to this provision regarding martial law, but I don't at this moment).


Still, both parties are practically married to the mob, JMO, and another reason I think more and more people feel it's OK to cheat.


 


L.
L.
"If you can't feed a hundred people, then feed just one." Mother Teresa
MadMom's picture

(post #42610, reply #39 of 170)

Exactly my point...as I pointed out to her, the fanatic Muslims thought they were doing God's will by flying planes into the World Trade Center.  It seems that any time we start killing people in the name of God we become evil, and that holds, for me, regardless of which God we are talking about.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Lily Tomlin