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Bush's Signing Statements

Heather's picture

Terry Gross had a very interesting interview today with Charlie Savage of the Boston Globe. He is investigating the many hundreds of laws that Bush has set aside with the use of Signing Statements.
I can't say any more because I'll start to yell.
This article should be required reading for all Americans.

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/onlyintheglobe/

Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #1 of 44)

OK, I said I wasn't going to say anymore but I have to ask--can anyone explain to me why the line-item veto was ruled unconstitutional and yet this idiot can ignore any part of any law he wants--no questions asked--no Congress-makes-the-laws stuff that my children learned in school. What is going on here?!?

StevenHB's picture

(post #45404, reply #2 of 44)

I haven't read the article yet but I'm not sure that he can ignore these laws.  Someone with proper legal standing needs to file suit against the government to get the courts to review the administration's actions.


Edited to add missing punctuation.



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Edited 5/10/2006 6:38 am ET by StevenHB

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dicus's picture

(post #45404, reply #3 of 44)

Wow. I think I knew this sort of thing would hapen when we declared a war on terror. Now the president can couch many questionable actions as necessary for the operation of the war on terror. This is a problem of language. Usually you associate war as a conflict between two or more nations, but it completely changed for terror. Terrorists can be anyone, anywhere, at any time. You can find the justification of the domestic wire taps in this reasoning. This greatly expands the president's power.

I don't know why more journalists haven't given this more attention.

As to the question about line item veto, I think, in essence, a line item veto can be construed as the president crafting legislation, which is the domain of the legislative branch. I could be completely wrong about this.

Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #4 of 44)

>>>As to the question about line item veto, I think, in essence, a line item veto can be construed as the president crafting legislation, which is the domain of the legislative branch. I could be completely wrong about this.<<<

But that is what I mean. By saying that he doesn't have to obey certain parts of many laws, he is undermining the power of the legislative branch. So, instead of saying that he doesn't agree with a certain spending item, he is saying "I don't care if you pass a law saying we can't torture--I say we can. And I'm the Decider!" This is a much more frightening abuse of power than a line item veto.
It makes me sick.

StevenHB's picture

(post #45404, reply #8 of 44)

He is undermining the power of Congress and Congress rolling over and playing dead.  If Bush negotiated the terms of some legislation but then immediately upon signing it he writes a note changing the terms of the negotiated settlement, then he's negotiating in bad faith.


Someone or some institution needs to confront him and his administration.  If one or both branches of Congress were controlled by another party, things might be different.   Maybe.



Without coffee, chocolate, and beer, in that order, life as we know it would not be possible

Without coffee, chocolate, and beer, in that order, life as we know it would not be possible
beebuzzled's picture

(post #45404, reply #9 of 44)

So, you have your land war in Asia. When does the U.S. invade Poland?

Why is the rum always gone?  Captain Jack Sparrow
Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #12 of 44)

>>>When does the U.S. invade Poland?<<<

Do they have oil?

Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #13 of 44)

>>>Someone or some institution needs to confront him and his administration.<<<

Charlie Savage seems to be a dog with a bone on this one. He is quiet, articulate and very determined I think. Let's hope if he keeps writing about it some of the seriousness of this will finally sink in. I would think the Congress would be irate. This should be lesson #1 in why we can't have all three branches of the government held by one party, ANY party.

StevenHB's picture

(post #45404, reply #14 of 44)

Although the media is said to be the fourth branch of our government, I was thinking of a court challenge.  I don't think that the courts will roll over and play dead like Congress did.


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TracyK's picture

(post #45404, reply #15 of 44)

They certainly didn't in the case of poor Terri Schiavo, thank heavens.

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Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #16 of 44)

The author of the article said that it wasn't too likely that someone would bring this to court since they are quite careful to hide their intent. Also, many of the signings relate to the war on terror and don't create an obvious plaintiff. The court can't take this on on its own--someone has to sue.

butterscotch's picture

(post #45404, reply #17 of 44)

Someone in Congress who is a political opponent of the President would be an ideal plaintiff. There are Supreme Court decisions holding that  members of Congress have standing to challenge actions by the Executive branch, such as the issuance of administrative regulations, that dilute their legislative powers. These signing statements are very similar in that respect.

Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #18 of 44)

Well let's hope! Of course any action questioning the rights of this president in anything to do with terrorism will immediately result in slams against the plaintiff's patriotism. And it is an election year. . .

Lword's picture

(post #45404, reply #22 of 44)

>I don't think that the courts will roll over and play dead like Congress did.


Really? A less radical court previously decided votes didn't need to be counted in FL, and the OH criminal (Blackwell), largely behind the problems there, is going to investigate himself.


L.
"If you can't feed a hundred people, then feed just one." Mother Teresa
L.
"If you can't feed a hundred people, then feed just one." Mother Teresa
StevenHB's picture

(post #45404, reply #23 of 44)

A less radical court previously decided votes didn't need to be counted in FL


Point taken.  I've been wrong before (shocking, I know) but I still believe that the courts would reign in some of the administration's excesses.



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Lword's picture

(post #45404, reply #24 of 44)

Oh how I hope you are right!

L.
"If you can't feed a hundred people, then feed just one." Mother Teresa

L.
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MadMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #25 of 44)

A few interesting notes from the news today:


The inquiry into the NSA illegal wiretapping has been suspended because the NSA refused to grant the appropriate clearances so the Justice Department could check out what had been done by the lawyers there.  Also, they now say they might seek a change in the law to make it legal to do illegal wiretaps which they have always claimed were legal anyway.  (Does this mean that if I steal from someone, I can just ignore the law, or have it changed to make it okay?)


Although the monitoring was supposedly limited to calls going to or coming from international destinations, three large phone companies have provided lists of domestic calls which have been placed into an NSA data base and analyzed.  Damn, I knew I shouldn't have called Canada, but now I'm worried about local calls.


Dubya and his daddy think JEB would make a fine president.  Excuse me, while I go toss my breakfast.




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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

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Edited 5/11/2006 7:43 am by MadMom

SallyBR1's picture

(post #45404, reply #26 of 44)

-----> Dubya and his daddy think JEB would make a fine president.

It doesn t really matter what they think, right? I prefer to think that the American people will not let me down in the next presidential election.

Of course, the "terror alert" will be going conveniently up a couple of weeks before....

 


 


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Biscuit's picture

(post #45404, reply #27 of 44)

 Also, they now say they might seek a change in the law to make it legal to do illegal wiretaps which they have always claimed were legal anyway. 


If it's legal, then why do they have to change the law to MAKE it legal?  Seems to me changing the law will just be admitting that it wasn't legal to begin with.


This administration continues to astound me.


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MadMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #28 of 44)

The thing which astounds me is that 31% of the people still support that idiot and think he is doing a good job.  I can understand voting for someone if you're a "one issue" voter and they are on your side on that issue, but how can a person continue to support an administration which is so blatently crooked?  I was reading an article the other day about the number of people in this administration who are guilty, under indictment, or under investigation, and yet good Christian people continue to believe these people are true believers?  They may be, but they don't believe in the God I believe in...more like the god of money and power.



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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #29 of 44)

I can't even read this stuff anymore. I get sick to my stomach and so very, very angry. I want to just sit down and weep.

All I can do is vote and I'll keep on doing that.

For the record, Jeb hasn't been THAT bad as our govenor. He's stood up to his brother on oil drilling in the Gulf and while there is a fair amount of good ole' boying in Tallahassee, I don't see him as nearly as corrupt and wasted as his brother.

I may disagree with Jeb, but he's not stupid or malleable, nor is he dissolute.

Frankly, I think he's the mailman's son. He looks nothing like Bush Sr. or The Shrub. And he's certainly not stupid (but of course, maybe Shrub was smart before he pickled his brain on coke and booze...). Nor does he pander. Watching Jeb during the hurricane press conferences during the past few years, you could tell he'd taken the time to really think about what was going on; planned as best he could and genuinely cared about EVERYONE affected - not just party donors.

I may disagree with many of his policies, but I think he really does think things through and tries to make what he thinks is the best decision. That's all we can really ask of our politicians - that they think, use good judgement and do what they think is best for the most people. Even if we do disagree about what is "best". Take his Medicaid program - lots of cuts, some of which affected me personally, but it is saving taxpayers alot of money and cutting down on fraud, so he was right in that his plan would do those two things. I hate not being able to take certain meds without my doctor having to jump through hoops, but in the end, I do get what I need and there is enough money that I don't get cut from the program, nor does Ellie.

Another thing that is different with Jeb is that he is willing to compromise to a degree. Our school grading system has evolved, and I think will continue to evolve, until it really does become useful.

He's not a black and white thinker the way Shrub is. Not sure I'd vote for him as President, but it's not fair to judge him as if he's exactly like his brother. In many very important ways, he's not.

I can't believe I just typed all that in in defense of a Bush, lol!

 


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TracyK's picture

(post #45404, reply #30 of 44)

His actions during the Terri Schiavo case disgusted me. Fully disgusted me. And I don't believe for one second he would be immune to the string-pulling if he were ever to make it to a higher elected office than the governor of Florida.


Of course, I am anything but objective when it comes to the Shrub family... I can't even stand Babs or the dog.



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Edited 5/11/2006 12:09 pm ET by TracyK

AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #31 of 44)

I agree with you there; but, he's Catholic, so I think it had more to do with his religious faith than anything else, truly.

And, honestly, what politician is immune to string pulling? None. That's a whole 'nother issue though.

If we can figure out how to get truly honest people into government, I think a lot of problems would be sovled.

I just don't think Jeb is as stupid and dissolute as Geo. II is. That's all. He's still a skanky politician.

 


"God is in the cosmic microwaves."

 

Save the Earth! It's the only planet with wine and chocolate.

TracyK's picture

(post #45404, reply #32 of 44)

Maybe string pulling was too nice a word. The puppetry is really the problem with Shrubya, and it would be just as bad with Jeb.


I think a lot of honest people go into politics... but it seems as though very few of them stay honest once they get to a certain level.


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Adele's picture

(post #45404, reply #33 of 44)

Well now, I too must stand up for Jeb Bush.  EXCEPT for the Schiavo case.  I see him as his own man.  He is not sneaky like his brother. 

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

But, but, it's SUPPOSED to taste like that!

TracyK's picture

(post #45404, reply #34 of 44)

I don't see Dubya as sneaky... frankly, I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to be sneaky. He is just stupid, and a puppet.


Jeb may be smarter than his dim bulb of a brother, but I do not for one second think that he would have the capacity to escape the reaches of his familial ties. Especially since I am pretty sure they would make some serious demands in order to arrange his victory.


Or maybe I've been reading too much "Da Vinci Code" and am seeing dark, shadowy conspiracies everywhere. LOL.


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AmyElliesMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #35 of 44)

That's the thing with Jeb. I've always gotten the distinct impression that his family never intended for HIM to be a politician, and that he's pretty much had to do what he's done on his own.

Has he traded on his family's name? Of course.

But I've never heard anything like the kind of finagling of school and career that went on with Georgie Poo Two. It could be b/c no one has cared to look as Gov. of Florida isn't so very glam, but I know he's gone against his family in a few things - both public and private.

He's married to a Spanish-speaking Catholic woman, and he converted for her. He's gone against Bush II on the aforementioned oil drilling.

I don't make a habit of following his life closely, but even the local far-left paper (St. Pete Times) hasn't published the kind of dirt one could publish on his brother.

Jeb is just your basic deal-making politician.

And while Bushy Boy in the White House might not be smart enough to be sneaky, he sure does surround himself with sneaky people...

 


"God is in the cosmic microwaves."

 

Save the Earth! It's the only planet with wine and chocolate.

TracyK's picture

(post #45404, reply #36 of 44)

And while Bushy Boy in the White House might not be smart enough to be sneaky, he sure does surround himself with sneaky people...


Nope... they surround themselves around him. ;-) He's not smart enough to pull the "I'll just hire sneaky people and let them do my dirty work" thing.  I fully believe that a powerful cadre of individuals had Shrubya elected so that they could pull the strings while he plays president.


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MadMom's picture

(post #45404, reply #38 of 44)

Afraid you're wrong about the family thing.  From everything I have read, Jeb was the one who was being groomed to be president, not Dubya.  I think the big shock came when he lost his campaign for governor and Dubya won.  From then on, the Karl Rove team jumped on the Dubya bandwagon.


Want to really be ill?  I heard an interview on Fresh Air today with the author of Kingdom Coming, which is a book concerning the mixing of religion with politics.  It is absolutely frightening the extent to which "Christian" theologists and scientists have created a parallel world in which their reality exists and that of mainstream science and theology is discredited.  Add to this the roughly two million children who are being home schooled, taught only about the "reality" as seen by their parents, and you have the possibility of a generation which doesn't know truth from fiction.  Scary.




Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!
Heather's picture

(post #45404, reply #39 of 44)

I heard that interview too and it was shocking and scary. If you missed it you should check the Fresh Air website.