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Bizarre & horrible child kidnap case

kathymcmo's picture

Outside California, are you hearing about this awful case of finding a young woman who was kidnapped 18 years ago while waiting for a school bus (she was 11 at the time)? Her captor had her all this time, and she had two children by him while a teenager. He's completely loony. They found her on the outskirts of the Bay Area so it's all over the news.


So very sad. And maddening.

AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #1 of 60)

Yes, I've heard about it.  It's amazing, wonderful she's alive, but, wow, such a horrible nightmare she and the kids have lived.  More than 1/2 her life she was with that loony being abused and god only knows what.

Ann
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"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

kathymcmo's picture

(post #52983, reply #2 of 60)

Yes far far better they found her alive, but I hope her human spirit gives her the strength to recover from this. She will need a lot of help I would think. Her stepfather is overjoyed because he saw the car that snatched her and was considered a suspect.


I remember this case happening and how they never found a trace.

AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #4 of 60)

The guilt her stepfather must have felt, I can't imagine.  I'm sure he beat himself up over and over asking why he didn't stay with her.  I recall when she was abducted and I felt so bad for him then.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

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MadMom's picture

(post #52983, reply #5 of 60)

Not only that, but he was a suspect at first.  Said it ruined his marriage.  Sad, sad.  Just another example that some sex offenders can never be rehabilitated.



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sally ryan's picture

(post #52983, reply #6 of 60)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the victim here.


But, how can you go that length of time without escaping?  I know there were small children to worry about and surely some intimidation going on................but could she not have walked to the back of the yard and started screaming for help, or climbed the fence in all those years?


Again, I am not criticizing the girl, just wondering what kind of control this pervert had over her for so many years.  It's unimaginable to me, and I can't see how it went on for so long.

AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #7 of 60)

You can't begin to fathom the kind of brainwashing and mind control these monsters can exert, especially on a child.  I heard the stepfather today say that she actually felt guilty about what's happening now to the monster that did this to her.  You don't know what he told her, how he twisted her mind.  He obviously controlled her with guilt.   He may have told her that the neighbors knew about her and were helping keep her hidden.  He may have told her that no one would believe her.  He may have told her that everyone would blame her.  He may have told her that he, or someone else, would kill her parents.  You don't know what she went through.  Until you've lived in that kind of fear and torment, don't ask why she couldn't save herself. 


From the little bit I've heard, it appears that the system failed her terribly.  I heard that some neighbors DID report to the police that this registered sex offender had children on his property.  So, if he could manipulate the system, controlling a child was simple.


Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Syrah's picture

(post #52983, reply #8 of 60)

Especially when you consider her age at the time. He could have told her that her parents were dead, and that they told him to take her. Anything that entered his sick mind could have been used against her.

It reminds me of that Belgian girl. She was so worried about her kidnapper once she was found. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/24/davidfickling

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assibams's picture

(post #52983, reply #16 of 60)

Actually the young woman is from Austria. She recently bought or was given her kidnapper's house/property. She intends to keep it to make sure it doesn't turn into some freak tourist attraction. A very strong young woman she has become! But - she, too, had formed a kind of bond with her kidnapper. I do not think it would be possible not to, after such a long time, when the only social contact was with the abductor.


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Syrah's picture

(post #52983, reply #17 of 60)

Thank you for correcting me. Initially I thought she was Russian but when I googled and saw her picture, I read Belgium somewhere.

Such a sad, sad thing to have happened. It must be a very hard thing to get over. I'm not sure it is even fully possible.

Makes me think of the Lovely Bones, and how the story would have been different had the kidnapper wished to keep Suzie alive.

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained."
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My perseverance will be rewarded.

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #18 of 60)

Is this the woman whose father kept her prisoner in his basement all those years?  How is she?  And, the kids?  I can't imagine what they went through.

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

assibams's picture

(post #52983, reply #19 of 60)

Nope, different girl. Natascha Kampusch was abducted by a stranger and kept prisoner at his house for many years. She managed to escape on her own. The other case (Fritzl) is being kept low profile to protect the family I suppose. The father pleaded guilty to all he was accused of and will spend the rest of his life in prison. He is being well guarded, since there already has been a plot by other inmates to torture and kill him. The daughter and kids are kept out of the press, thank goodness.


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AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #21 of 60)

I don't think I heard about the Natascha case.  So, sad that there are so many of these types of cases.  Makes one wonder how many are never discovered.  :-(

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

assibams's picture

(post #52983, reply #25 of 60)

Actually, JMO, I don't think there are that many cases, or that the number of cases has increased. They just get more coverage, all over the planet. 50 years ago news didn't travel that far....


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CookiM0nster's picture

(post #52983, reply #13 of 60)

Clearly you've never been in an abusive relationship - which is a good thing!
As for why she might express sympathy for him, it's a known reaction. Google Stockholm syndrome if you want to know more.

Marcia's picture

(post #52983, reply #23 of 60)

The Stockholm Syndrome is what I was thinking about, too. We blame the victim far too often.

MadMom's picture

(post #52983, reply #24 of 60)

Remember that for eighteen years, this man, sick as he was, had total control over this woman and her children.  He said whether they had food or shelter, he took advantage of their dependency.  Little wonder that she grew dependent upon him; it would be a wonder if she didn't.  Also, I read that the "shelter" they were kept in, in the back yard, had a door which only opened from the outside.  She might not have been able to escape if she had chosen to do so.



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Marcia's picture

(post #52983, reply #26 of 60)

I haven't read much about it as it's just too upsetting, and the points you make are all good ones. Perhaps it's human nature to wonder about escaping, but I do get tired that sort of thing. We cannot know exactly what went on, and what you say is horrible enough. It seems to me we expect an awful lot of a small child. Many adults would have similar problems, and that's been shown to be the case.

Biscuit's picture

(post #52983, reply #3 of 60)

Yes, I've been following it a bit.  I actually remember when she went missing.  Horrible, evil man!  AND his horrible, evil wife! 


Funny thing - today they put up the sketch that the girls stepfather had helped make in 1991 of the woman he saw take the girl next to the photo of that man's wife - dead ringer!


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KarenP's picture

(post #52983, reply #9 of 60)

  We've been following closely in our office.  One of the women lived on her street and knew her;  her husband lived five houses from Jaycee.  They were afraid to go to the bus stop for years afterward.
   The story just keeps getting stranger.  
   Thank goodness for the sharp attention of those Berkeley Policewomen.
   There is supposed to be a news conference about the foster parents of that little boy in Oakland shortly.  It didn't sound promising, but then it hasn't from the beginning.

kathymcmo's picture

(post #52983, reply #10 of 60)

Those UC Berkeley officers are impressive. University police aren't always so sharp (one former Sonoma St cop was just arrested this week, one block from my house, for masterminding four armored car robberies) but these two really were on the ball.


The foster child story is just heartwrenching.

plantlust's picture

(post #52983, reply #11 of 60)

Wasn't there a similar case in Austria or Germany not too long ago?


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evelyn's picture

(post #52983, reply #15 of 60)

If anything could be considered 'worse' the Austrian case can - Elizabeth was kept in the basement for 24 years and had 8 children by her father. <shudder>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case

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Regality's picture

(post #52983, reply #12 of 60)

The news this evening said that both of Hassani's (or Hasanni, depending on the source) foster parents had been arrested and are being held on suspicion of murder, even though there's no body found. 


Edited 8/29/2009 12:39 am by Regality


Edited 8/29/2009 12:40 am by Regality

KarenP's picture

(post #52983, reply #14 of 60)

   I'd heard on the drive back from work that there was to be a news conference about some new finding, but I haven't heard a word yet. 
   This is a story that had holes in it from the beginning and you just kept hoping only sounded goofy.  He's such an adorable little guy.

AnnL's picture

(post #52983, reply #22 of 60)

I don't think I've heard about the little boy in Oakland. 

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

Ann
"The elders were wise.  They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."  Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota Sioux

KarenP's picture

(post #52983, reply #27 of 60)

  Little 5 year old with MS was taken by his foster father the foster mother.  FM is his aunt, he her fiance.  He was supposedly unlocking a door to the shoe store where the aunt works, turned around, and the little guy was gone.  
  This is a very trendy, busy, street in Oakland.  The market MarieLouise frequents is there, many nice restaurants, and bookstores.  It seemed very unlikely that nobody would remember anything, that only a few feet away the FF wouldn't have heard even a scuffle.  then it came out that he texted the aunt several days earlier and threatened to leave the little guy on BART by himself.
   They were arrested last night for suspected homicide.
   edit:  here is an article with a picture of him http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/13/MN2U197IUU.DTL


Edited 8/29/2009 1:08 pm by KarenP

MadMom's picture

(post #52983, reply #28 of 60)

So sad.  How could someone do this when so many couples are childless, not by choice, but because they cannot have children and want one desperately.



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KarenP's picture

(post #52983, reply #29 of 60)

  Exactly. I think that those are the folks that should have preference as jurors for these "people".

SallyBR1's picture

(post #52983, reply #20 of 60)

It made me literally sick.

I stopped reading about it, and cannot stand watching the news. I swear, some human beings do not deserve to be called human.

 


 


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Florida2's picture

(post #52983, reply #30 of 60)

The story is so wrenching.(the Berkely story about the kidnapped little girl).


I found myself wondering how this guy ever got paroled: I mean, he had kidnapped a woman, took her somewhere, and raped her. How does someone convicted of that heinous crime ever, ever get paroled? Why is no journalist asking that question?