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BHO speaks the truth about his faith...

mrsq's picture



Obama says "my Muslim faith" on 'ABC This Sunday'.



Please watch this short video showing him say "my Muslim faith"! 


 


 




            






      

Gretchen's picture

(post #50891, reply #1 of 149)

This is one of "those" comments that has been debunked as being taken out of context--as in "people keep talking about 'my muslim faith' which is just not true".  If George hadnt interrupted him, he could have finished that thought.


O, poster, do you have anything to say about cooking.  We do that here too, rather than just hit and run with an inflammatory post. Sorry not to be more welcoming.


 


Gretchen


Edited 9/16/2008 12:59 pm ET by Gretchen

Gretchen
msm-s's picture

(post #50891, reply #2 of 149)

she's been around before and posted some similar alarmist stuff.

mrsq, you can talk politics if you want, but don't post such silly stuff. you are in waaaay over your head here.

roz's picture

(post #50891, reply #5 of 149)

I know this is not true. But even if Sen. Obama actually is Islamic, which he is not, it doesn't matter. He/anyone else is/are free to practice whatever religion he/they choose. Just don't confuse religion and political policies.

And we certainly do not need any more lies.

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TracyK's picture

(post #50891, reply #3 of 149)

Go away.

CT poster in bad standing since 2000.

kathymcmo's picture

(post #50891, reply #4 of 149)

Even if Obama were Muslim, which he is not, WTF would it matter????? People like you keep trying to find proof of something that cannot be found, because it isn't true, but never answer why it would matter if Obama were a Muslim. It's religious bigotry you are espousing.


There is freedom of religion in this country. Many thousands of Americans have died to ensure that right.


In fact, what does it matter what religion any of the candidates follow or ascribe to???


 

roz's picture

(post #50891, reply #6 of 149)

I love WTF!

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Canuck's picture

(post #50891, reply #9 of 149)

Not targeting you but it would definitely matter. You may have freedom of religion, but there is no way a Muslim president will be elected any time soon. Any presidential candidate has to be (or pretend to be) a church-going Christian.


The reason this keeps coming back up is that enough people would care, and it would mean the loss of the election.


If there's anything I've learned here, it's not to assume that everyone is as open-minded as me (or us) or welcomes difference.

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50891, reply #11 of 149)

FINALLY, a topic I agree with everyone of you on, and Canuck, you are absolutely right.  It should make no difference, but believe me it would.


Jim

Canuck's picture

(post #50891, reply #12 of 149)

<THUD>


We agree? On a political subject? I cannot believe it :)

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50891, reply #13 of 149)

See, I told you I was not only dashing, debonaire and handsom, but smart as a whip as well.


Jim

Canuck's picture

(post #50891, reply #14 of 149)

:) Well, I'll have to take your word on the other three!


 

StevenHB's picture

(post #50891, reply #15 of 149)

Any presidential candidate has to be (or pretend to be) a church-going Christian.


Lieberman came pretty close to disproving that rule . . .  But, in practical terms, you are right.



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kathymcmo's picture

(post #50891, reply #16 of 149)

It may be correct, but I still feel strongly that when people make bigoted statements about religious affiliation (and I am not a religious person) they need to be called on it, otherwise the bigotry will never end. These statements are shameful and hateful, and all patriotic Americans need to speak up whenever we encounter that.



 

thecooktoo's picture

(post #50891, reply #37 of 149)

Not church going, but an extremely regular and faithful temple member.  Counts for the same thing in  my opinion.


Jim

StevenHB's picture

(post #50891, reply #39 of 149)

Not church going, but an extremely regular and faithful temple member.  Counts for the same thing in my opinion.


I appreciate that but I'm pretty sure that those who believe that "Catholics are not Christians" will feel otherwise (ignoring for the moment the Valley girls at the spa).



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thecooktoo's picture

(post #50891, reply #42 of 149)

Absolutely true...and think of the problems McCain would be having now if he had nominated Bobby Jindal as VP...a woman is bad enough, but an INDIAN!  Oh my God!  {{G}}


Jim

StevenHB's picture

(post #50891, reply #44 of 149)

Absolutely true...and think of the problems McCain would be having now if he had nominated Bobby Jindal as VP


Jindal converted from Hinduism so there'd be even more reason to doubt whether he was "really Christian."



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Without coffee, chocolate, and beer, in that order, life as we know it would not be possible
ehBeth's picture

(post #50891, reply #22 of 149)

I had a <ahem> discussion with my hairdresser about something similar the other day. She is of the firm belief that Catholics are not Christians. A slip of the tongue re Muslim would probably send her over the edge.

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msm-s's picture

(post #50891, reply #23 of 149)

please explain her POV if possible. i've heard people say that before, but i am totally lost trying to understand their logic.

ehBeth's picture

(post #50891, reply #24 of 149)

I almost wish I could explain it. It had something to do with Catholics not following the Bible. mmmmmmm ok.

It was an odd discussion - starting with Obama - she believes he is Muslim, but that's ok as the U.S. had already had a president who wasn't a Christian. After my eyebrows came back down onto my face, I tried to bend my mind around that. Turned out it was Kennedy - Catholic,not Christian.

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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #50891, reply #26 of 149)

You got it -- Catholics are not Christian (according to some) because Catholicism is not rooted in the Bible (Old Testament, I believe). Go figure! I sure can't.





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Jean's picture

(post #50891, reply #28 of 149)

That is just crazy!! Whoever believes that needs to study some church history.




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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #50891, reply #29 of 149)

Crazy or not (and I wouldn't necessarily call it crazy - over-zealous, under-educated bigotry maybe, but not crazy)that attitude is out there. I remember getting a lift home from an Easter concert once, and commenting on how gorgeous the (Catholic)church was, what good acoustics, etc. And the folks (neighbours) just froze up, until one of them said, "Well there's all that pagan symbolism. We wouldn't have gone if we had realized how pagan it all was!"





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Jean's picture

(post #50891, reply #32 of 149)

I truly am shocked, appalled and dismayed! I remember that some folks were fearful that the Pope would somehow be able to control the Presidency should a Catholic be elected to the White House, that separation of church and state thing, you know, but to classify Catholics as non-Christian---incredible!



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MadMom's picture

(post #50891, reply #33 of 149)

It may have been a southern thing, or just a bigoted thing you were fortunate enough to avoid, but I remember so many completely ignorant people who avowed they weren't going to vote for Kennedy because he wasn't a "Christian."


Perhaps off the subject, but I remember three valley girls talking at a spa we went to in California.  Two were white and one was black.  One of the white girls opined that she never could understand the "National Council of Christians and Jews" because, after all, "Jews are Christians, too."  The other white girl agreed with her, and the poor black girl just shook her head.  I'm afraid that sometimes I think ignorance is an incurable fatal illness. 




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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #50891, reply #41 of 149)

Interesting, I've always thought that the true genius of the Catholic faith was its ability to absorb and reinvent in its own image so much of the cultures and beliefs of other peoples -- truly 'catholic' in that respect. Much of the traditions and rituals around Mary, for example, can be traced back to both Mediterranean goddess cults and Celtic traditions. Lapsed Catholic though I am, I really love that aspect of the Church, but evidently that's precisely the stuff that makes it suspect as "Christian" in some minds.    





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Risottogirl's picture

(post #50891, reply #30 of 149)

I am not sure if particular denominations tend to think that way or just a lot of individuals. I can say first hand that I heard this DOZENS of times when I was working out in rural southern Missouri a couple of years ago.


I am Catholic and I had never in my life heard that before. I mentioned it to a good friend (also Catholic) who has lived in St. Louis her whole life and she said it is very common to hear this POV.


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msm-s's picture

(post #50891, reply #31 of 149)

You are getting close to the heart of the matter. I think.
Catholics revere Mary; she is a major part of Catholicism. And when I officially became an Episcopal a little over a year ago, I discovered in the classes I took that there is an extremely fine line between Episcopalians and Catholics; basically, it all boils down to what you believe happens during Communion.

My earliest memory of "Christian" hatred of Catholics was in kindergarten in Northern California, barely pre-Kennedy. Most of us were 4 or 5 years old. One little girl was boasting that she was learning the Catechism and another little girl pointed out that she should be careful because all Catholics are going to hell.

That was my first milestone in religion, and human relations. I realized then that good people can totally misunderstand each other. Life is more complicated than grownups tell you.

AJ12754's picture

(post #50891, reply #45 of 149)

It has to do with the distinction between clerical and congregational faiths -- there are people who believe that the Catholics are not Christians because the clergy (priests) "mediate" the relationship between God and his people (confession, communion and other sacraments require a priest).

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Florida2's picture

(post #50891, reply #49 of 149)

This is confusing to me. Weren't Catholics the first Christians?