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2830cocoa's picture

I currently am trying to get some information and data on baby vaccinations. I hear so much concern from the media about vaccinations, and I am trying to figure out what I want to give my son. I am scared, I had already started the first round but it made my son so fussy it messed up breastfeeding for four days. I want to know what questions to ask and where I can go to get quality, clear information. Help.

plantlust's picture

Yikes this is gonna be a (post #68771, reply #1 of 20)

Yikes this is gonna be a tough one. First of all CONGRATS on your child! We have a few nurses (current & former) and doctors that visit this board. Hopefully someone will see your plea and give you some answers.

Unfortunately, anyone can post ANYTHING on the web without being vetted/verified or backed up by facts, so I try to find a bunch of information from different sources and see if things make sense or back each other up.

Another problem is the drug companies themselves. Instead of being straight forward with their products, you practically have to become a doctor yourself, to find or even figure out what (if any) side effects a product has.

As far as I have heard/seen (I have a young niece & nephew, so I'm trying to keep up on this stuff), there has been no scientific proof that vaccines cause autism. I vaguely remember getting a shot in my upper arm with something that looked like a shiny gun, that I've been told was for polio(dunno if there were other vaccines in addition). I also remember a doctor giving me a sugar cube that turned orange/red. I believe that is also for polio? No side effect, other than a scar on my upper arm.

If I had a small child, I would definitely try and space out the vaccines, instead of doing a ton of them at one go. It seems to me then a young immune system wouldn't be overwhelmed and could assimilate each vaccine better, no?

Have you tried speaking to your pediatrician about your concerns? I know some of them are very old school (the whole doctor is God complex) but there are some who think for themselves and will give you reasons and the thought process that got to that reason.

Good luck!

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2830cocoa's picture

Thankyou for your comments, (post #68771, reply #5 of 20)

Thankyou for your comments, they are much appreciated. I been doing research the same way you recommend, which is by checking various sources and looking for consistencies. I have been attending a support group for new moms that is offered through my local hospital, and surprisingly many of the nurses are opening concerned about vaccines. This reaction has caused me to want to do more research also.

kathymcmo's picture

I would go to the Centers for (post #68771, reply #2 of 20)

I would go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for unbiased information. And I would ask my pediatrician for advice.
PS And I wouldn't listen to anything I heard on TV or from websites other than the CDC or pediatric journals.
IMHO vaccines are very safe and very essential. As more and more parents refuse them, we're going to start to lose "herd immunity" some unvaccinated kids are really going to suffer needlessly or even die. So good for you for seeking qualified information, and ask your doctor any question you may have.

shywoodlandcreature's picture

Just to say that I would (post #68771, reply #3 of 20)

Just to say that I would trust Kathy's advice, and be very, very skeptical about advice from Jenny McCarthy, who is notable primarily for being a Playboy model and Jim Carrey's wife - no qualifications that I can discern that would give her opinions on immunization and links to autism much gravitas.

assibams's picture

I chose to have my children (post #68771, reply #4 of 20)

I chose to have my children vaccinated only against serious, life-threatening diseases: tetanus, polio, diphteria. The boys have gotten shots for mumps (not sure if this word is correct in English). Emma had a serious reaction after her booster shot, when the doc - against my specific instruction - added a pertussis component (he only had this 4-in-1 and higher vaccines). Her speech development came to a screeching halt, even reversed to almost nothing (going from short senteces to 'mom, dad, there') and had other symptoms that resembled a stroke that developed over a few months. Only one doctor did not brush away the possibility that the reaction was linked to the immunization vaccine, so obviously it hasn't been reported, either. This has made me suspicious about reported side effects, or rather the lack of them. Emma is a very bright, sweet 8yo today, but it took a lot of speech therapy and hard work to get to where we are now.

I can absolutely understand your concern. Find a doctor you trust, and take it from there. If you don't feel well having your baby faced with 7 vaccines at once, most vaccines are available in single doses, at a higher expense most likely, plus several trips to the doctor, do inquire.

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StevenHB's picture

Both measles and chicken pox (post #68771, reply #6 of 20)

Both measles and chicken pox can be serious, life-threatening diseases. Any risks associated with the vaccinations are considerably lower than the risks associated with the diseases that they prevent.

You report a correlation between vaccinations and your daughter's delayed speech development, suggesting even further that the pertussis component that you didn't want was at fault. I'm sure that this was a painful experience for you - please don't misinterpret what I'm saying here as a lack of concern. Nonetheless, correlation does not imply causation. We have evolved to believe that it does but it just doesn't. Her development could have slowed without the vaccines - none of us can say for sure what would have happened in such a case.

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kathymcmo's picture

Pertussis can also be quite (post #68771, reply #7 of 20)

Pertussis can also be quite serious and life-threatening. In my county we've had two babies die from it in just the last few years. One was a very young infant, too young to have received the vaccine yet, but approx 15 percent of kids in my county aren't getting any vaccinations at all due to parental objections, so the infant picked it up from some unimmunized child in the community. Very very sad.

StevenHB's picture

Kathy: You make a good point. (post #68771, reply #8 of 20)

Kathy: You make a good point. A decision not to vaccinate not only puts your child at risk but also increases the risk to others in the community such as those too yough to be vaccinated and the small number for whom the vaccine may be ineffective.

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kathymcmo's picture

Exactly, and unfortunately (post #68771, reply #9 of 20)

Exactly, and unfortunately where I live, the number of parents choosing not to vaccinate their kids is getting very large. In some schools, it's more than 30 percent, it's become sort of politically correct not to because of autism fears and other panics.

I think some parents take the gamble because they think their kids will be OK since all the other kids are vaccinated, but once the unvaccinated pool reaches a critical mass, then the unvaccinated kids are sitting ducks for these serious diseases.

Not to mention those kids and adults with suppressed immune systems, from cancer, HIV and other reasons. Our local public health dept is getting very worried.

StevenHB's picture

Sometimes I want to shout, (post #68771, reply #10 of 20)

Sometimes I want to shout, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

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kathymcmo's picture

LOL, I know the feeling. One (post #68771, reply #11 of 20)

LOL, I know the feeling.
One local commentator described it as the triumph of belief over knowledge.

Syrah's picture

I didn't realise the (post #68771, reply #13 of 20)

I didn't realise the antivaccination movement was so very strong.

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kathymcmo's picture

It is in this one pocket of (post #68771, reply #14 of 20)

It is in this one pocket of my county (AKA "west county") in Northern California, and so those schools are really trying to grapple with it because you can't force a parent to vaccinate, but the number of kids in these schools who are unvaccinated is climbing fast. I suspect there'll be a tragedy one of these days that will shake people up.

Syrah's picture

As far as I know, at least (post #68771, reply #15 of 20)

As far as I know, at least when I went to school, they made it very difficult for nonvaccinated children to attend. Of course, no one can force anyone to do it, but it is still strongly encouraged.

I had read recently that parents of newborns are strongly encouraged to get the Whooping cough vaccine, as well as older members of their family. Since the vaccination is not lifelong like some others, we all need a top up. That's something to add to my list of things to remember.

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wonka's picture

Three of my FIL's siblings (post #68771, reply #12 of 20)

Three of my FIL's siblings died from pertussis. It can be quite deadly. I understand people not wanting their kids to have the vaccine if they have reacted to it, but for the rest of the kids it's sooo important. I worked in a microbiology lab before my kids were born and we were seeing an increase in Whooping cough due to lack of immunization.

Syrah's picture

I thought this was (post #68771, reply #16 of 20)

I thought this was interesting http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/parents-warned-of-failure-to-v...

I didn't even know there was a chickenpox vaccine.

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

Syrah's picture

I thought this was (post #68771, reply #17 of 20)

I thought this was interesting http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/parents-warned-of-failure-to-v...

I didn't even know there was a chickenpox vaccine.

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

sashadog's picture

That's a tough one...Having (post #68771, reply #18 of 20)

That's a tough one...Having had all my childhood vaccinations and come out just fine, I would say yes, but hearing of two of my husbands coworkers who developed Bell's Palsy after getting H1N1 shots (apparently a known side-effect of the vaccine), and my mom's dog developing autistic like behaviour and seizures after getting his shots, I would be so torn as well. My husband and I had the vaccine for Hepatitis because we were going to the Bahamas, and we were both sick as can be for 2 weeks after the shot. I avoid them completely now, but I would be torn as well. I had measles twice as a kid and chickenpox and I know of no child that I grew up with who had any complications from either, although I know that the risks are there with these illnesses. Most children don't seem to develop problems after vaccines, but the choice is difficult as there is so much concern out there and you wonder if you are trading an acute temporary situation (in most cases) for a possibly chronic lifelong condition. I also know that the Polio vaccine had some batches that contained live virus and people went on to develop Polio after getting the shot. I might be tempted in your shoes to do the vaccine, but given what I have witnessed first hand from vaccines, I would struggle with giving my child something I would not take myself. I would also have this concern and fear, but I trust that you will make the right choice for you and your child based on all the information available.

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wonka's picture

I have a friend who was on (post #68771, reply #19 of 20)

I have a friend who was on the fence about getting the Chicken Pox vaccine for her boys. Then a co-workers child died from complications from Chicken Pox and that was a deciding factor for her. All three of her boys were vaccinated.

I have another friend who's 2 year old daughter died after getting the flu (as did a cousin of mine), so I'm pretty keen on the vaccine.