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High Carbohydrate diets (post #57148)

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OK, I am just about ready to tear my hair out. A friend and her husband, who had previously been good eaters, buying a wide variety of foods from farmers' markets, CSAs, etc., have been following a high carbohydrate diet (not Atkins) for the last six months. They have given up practically all grains and potatoes, sugar, pasta, etc. At the same time, they are eating quantities of cream, cheeses, and grass-fed meats--and thank God, still drinking wine! Their "Bible" seems to be "Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fat, Carbs, and the Science of Diet and Health" by Gary Taubes.

All this would be fine, except that there seems to be an evangelistic zeal to convert non-believers to this new diet--and it's just not making sense to me. I don't trust the science behind Taubes ideas, but on the other hand, I don't have any good idea of where to find balanced, well-researched information. All the sources I've looked at so far seem to be either believers or non-believers. Do any of you have any good ideas of where I might find some unprejudiced sources? I would appreciate any help!

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
Gretchen's picture

(post #57148, reply #1 of 27)

WAIT.  This is a LOW carb diet. Or maybe not--I see a name attached.


Just say no. It is a reinvented concept.


I DO believe in a low carb diet--it can work for a jump start to a weight loss.  But I reallydon't want to get into it.


This guy is just on the bandwagon. Can't help you with dealing with your friends!!


And if they are still drinking wine, well, that is  two edged sword. BUT no way is it HIGH carb.


I guess I better go look before I say definitively..


Gretchen
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Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #3 of 27)

Yes, of course it is a low carb diet--that's just a sign of how agitated I've become over having this stuff preached to me! What ever happened to balance and eating widely to benefit from as many vitamins, etc., as possible? I really need some good information just to give me some talking points and stop feeling like I'm being mowed down. No way would I ever adopt such a diet.

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
Gretchen's picture

(post #57148, reply #7 of 27)

No, I think you misunderstood me. These people don't understand, so I would just let them go.  It is the same Atkins/South Beach   diet repackaged by another  person.  He's doing a little different, --different package.


No need to bother yourself. Just say no.


Gretchen
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shywoodlandcreature's picture

(post #57148, reply #8 of 27)

I think there are probably really good reasons to restrict simple carbs, but complex carbs (i.e., whole grains, vegetables such as sweet potatoes, and legumes)should be part of any good diet. I too distrust Atkins, South Beach, et al, not because they don't work - they do, in the short term, and as Gretchen says, are valuable for kick-starting a weight loss program, but they aren't sustainable for any length of time.





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Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #10 of 27)

I know the high protein diets are good for losing weight in the short term, but the problem always comes down to the long term. Unless you find a way to sustain a healthy diet permanently, you won't be able to maintain a healthy weight. And the really odd thing is that these friends were not even close to being overweight. I'd say a few additional pounds would not hurt them!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
TracyK's picture

(post #57148, reply #12 of 27)

Really, just smile and nod and make vague "Oh that's nice for you" noises, and they'll get the hint and leave you alone.


In the meantime, they're not going to hurt themselves, so don't worry about it too much.



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Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #20 of 27)

I will begin immediately to work on my absent-minded look!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #9 of 27)

I see what you mean, but it's something that's beginning to worry me quite a bit since this has been going on for over six months. These are close friends, highly intelligent and scientifically sophisticated. That's what's bothering me--and when I look for information, I see too many questions in Taubes' material and am finding a paucity of material that is based on independent research. It would be easier to ignore if we hadn't shared so many meals in the past!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
kathymcmo's picture

(post #57148, reply #5 of 27)

I got all excited there for a minute thinking that high carb is now seen as the way to go.

Syrah's picture

(post #57148, reply #6 of 27)

LOL. So did I.

My perseverance will be rewarded.

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

Marcia's picture

(post #57148, reply #13 of 27)

I had the same reaction as you and Syrah! It's really too funny.

BossHog's picture

(post #57148, reply #2 of 27)

Makes me think of this tag line:

Lord, I wish to find you. But spare me from those who have.



Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #4 of 27)

Oh, is that ever true!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
MadMom's picture

(post #57148, reply #11 of 27)

Ohh, I do love your tagline.  Gives me visions of Mormon missionaries and other zealots, none of whom seem to respect the simplicity of an Episcopalian.  Although, I did manage to run off a man a few months ago who was expounding on how God had led him to his church where he met his wife.  He then waited outside PT for me so he could invite me to his church.  I told him I was quite happy where I was, so he left, dejected and disappointed.



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Jillsifer's picture

(post #57148, reply #17 of 27)

I have a t-shirt that features the Episcopal shield and the words "All the pageantry. None of the guilt." I think you need one! ;-)


 


 


 


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MadMom's picture

(post #57148, reply #22 of 27)

I love it.  I "discovered" the Episcopal Church after I graduated from college.  In college, I was the best Catholic around, often going to 6 a.m. mass where it would be just the priest, me, and the nuns.  Of course, being a Methodist, I never took communion.  Finally decided one night that I would convert, drove to the nearest Catholic church, and rang the priest's doorbell.  I was informed that he was busy and I should come back later.  I never went back.  Told a friend that I really loved the quiet majesty of the Catholic church, but couldn't buy the idea of an infallible pope.  Her eyes brightened, and she took me to the Episcopal Church.  I've never looked back!



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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Gretchen's picture

(post #57148, reply #23 of 27)

I do love the Episcopal church. Our Baptist church here is called the Episcopo-Baptist church--or high Baptist.  You would be very much at home!!

Gretchen

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unbaked's picture

(post #57148, reply #14 of 27)

The eating plan I use is not a LOW carb diet, it's a NO SIMPLE CARBS diet and it's been great for me.


I do eat carbs..only whole grains or sugar alchohols, though and a TEENSY amount of low sugar fruit.


I've not only lost over 60 pounds, but I'm not on mood stabilizers for my Bipolar II. I don't binge on fats, but I don't avoid them, either.


My total cholesterol is hovering around 110  down from 238(good chol is high), my triglycerides are 103 down from 160, blood pressure is normal (down from 130 over 85) and all my vitamin levels are great.


I went from a size 20 to an 8 (I hit a high of size 28 in 2002, dropped to a size 10/12 and then yo-yo dieted back up to the 20). I walk 6-8 miles per day with my dog and do some weight training. I have boundless energy.


I eat a lot of fish because I like it (grin). I also eat any kind of meat, but I'm not a huge eater, I'm a grazer, so I don't consume large quantities at one time. I've become fond of some of the Lean Cuisine Spa Cuisine entrees or the other 2 items they sell that don't have simple carbs in them.


I don't eat white flour, potatoes, white rice, peas, corn (I do eat a limited amount of hominy in tortillas, etc), sugar, honey, etc.


I do eat whole grain pastas, oatmeal or whole grain Cream of Wheat, brown rice, whole grain breads, etc. I eat a lot of cheese, but I try to stick with the low fat versions. I finally found a couple of wholegrain crackers (most that SAY whole grain have white flour in them).  I use either Splenda or Organic Zero as my sweetener of choice.


I like Jello Sugar-Free pudding a lot and snack on sugar-free Jolly Rancher candies and very limited amounts of York Peppermint Patties (I'm sensitive to Maltilol). I've learned to avoid everything with aspartame in it because it causes almost uncontrollable bounce-back hunger. Luckily a few companies are making beverages sweetened with Splenda now.


Jason's Deli (nationwide chain) has their new "Real Menu" and they have two choices of whole grain breads. I LOVE their Ciabatta-Bing sandwich, but I can eat almost any sandwich there. I can eat the broiled chicken at Chick Fil-a. I also eat the Fresco Crunchy Tacos at Taco Bell from time to time.


I make a concerted effort to get all my veggies every day & I drink a store brand veggie juice because it has half the sugars of V-8 & I still get the vitamins, lol. I eat citrus and berries for my fruits.


I read about this diet in a book called, "Why Am I Still Depressed?" by James Phelps, MD. He suggested it for people suffering from Bipolar II and Soft Bipolar. In combination with exercise, it's kept me off mood-stabilizing drugs for over 7 months.  My PC Physician approved my diet and the blood tests don't lie.


 


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Jean's picture

(post #57148, reply #15 of 27)

Wow. Your numbers are impressive. Here's to a healthier and happier you!!


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kathymcmo's picture

(post #57148, reply #16 of 27)

You are a true inspiration

Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #21 of 27)

You have done quite a magnificent job! Congratulations on your success!!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
Florida2's picture

(post #57148, reply #18 of 27)

Have you read Good Calories, Bad Calories? Its a pretty compelling book. He makes a good case with the research to back it up.


Several of my friends have followed his book and have lost weight that years of dieting could not impact. They are no longer insulin resistant and their cholesterol came down.


But if you do not want to do the book, like the above said, just smile and say, "Thats so interesting and I'm so glad to know of it and that it works for you".


Edited 2/11/2009 6:42 pm ET by Florida2

Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #19 of 27)

I've looked at the book (and read his original NY Times article), but I feel uncomfortable with his science for a reason I cannot put my finger on. I think my problem is that he vilifies too many foods that, while they may not be the best thing to eat every day, won't hurt on an occasional basis. Maybe the problem is with me: if you tell me I can't have (or do) something, I will find a way to have or do it.

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
assibams's picture

(post #57148, reply #24 of 27)

Margie, could it be you need to come back home soon ;-)


Resist the temptation to over-clean. After all, how many times do you need to kill the same germ.

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Maedl's picture

(post #57148, reply #25 of 27)

HUGE GRIN!! Except my messages from Garmisch mention tons of snow, so for the time being I think I'm better off here! It's really difficult to negotiate those sidewalks when they are caked with ice and packed snow. But on the other hand, I am missing Fasching. I need to be in two places at once!

Margie
Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay:
Where Food and Culture Intersect
www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com

Margie Between the Alps and the Chesapeake Bay: Where Food and Culture Intersect www.alpsandbay.blogspot.com
Errol789's picture

High-carbohydrate diet plans (post #57148, reply #26 of 27)

High-carbohydrate diet plans have been held responsible for the being overweight, but the Harvard School of Public Health says carbs food are not responsible. Eating too many calorie, whether they are from carbs food, proteins or fat, will cause you to put on weight.

Abram1's picture

By making a proper diet plan (post #57148, reply #27 of 27)

By making a proper diet plan you can actually enjoy the life,I am against of supplements.I have made my diet plan and I am eating accordingly  and i have lost about 5 kg in 2 months.