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Dean Ornish (post #57153)


DH is thinking of going on Dean Ornish's Heart Disease Reversal diet to see if that will help his heart condition. That would mean revamping my cooking style - have any of you had any experience with his diet?
Thanks in advance -

Gary's picture

(post #57153, reply #1 of 7)

"Ornish's regimen is more than mere diet, he claims. He is a stickler about incorporating at least 30 minutes of moderate exercise a day, or an hour three times a week, and using some kind of stress-management technique, which might include meditation, massage, psychotherapy, or yoga." "Because it is so rigid and doesn't allow a lot of food choices for those used to the Western diet, not many people will stay on it for the long term. Many people get tired of eating food with such a low fat content."

The people who gave us golf and called it a game are the same people who gave us bag pipes and called it music and haggis and called it food.

sawinsor's picture

(post #57153, reply #2 of 7)

I was on WebMD and read the same thing. George has the exercise part down pat - between swimming and walking the dog. A friend has worked with Ornish on the meditation/yoga part so we are examining that segment. And since his by-pass surgery we have changed our eating habits a lot - with an emphasis on the vegetarian side. Now I have to become even more aware of my cooking habits, I guess.

Marcia's picture

(post #57153, reply #3 of 7)

I'm not sure what book you're working from, but I heard that Ornish now recommends a fish oil supplement for EPA, and I'm not sure if there's anything else that's new. I have read that because of all of the carbs in his diet, triglycerides can rise, but I'm not sure of that info, either.

I do know that there are recipe books out there somewhere based on the Ornish diet, and it might be worthwhile to search some out. Good luck to you and to DH.

sawinsor's picture

(post #57153, reply #4 of 7)

Thanks - I shall do more research.

Florida2's picture

(post #57153, reply #5 of 7)

When DH's cholesterol hit 240 I put him on Ornish's diet for about 5 days. It was for the birds, neither one of us liked it. So I did a lot of research and settled on "The Zone" diet by Barry Sears which, basically is 5G carb for 3G protein in every meal and snack (its a ratio). I also limited his sat fat to about 10-15G per day, and overall fat to about 25G per day, no cookies, no cake, no ice cream, no candy. Bread, rice and pasta were limited since its so high on carbs it would be hard to shovel in enough protein to balance it.

 His cholesterol went down to 140 within a month. Just a thought.

Edited 7/17/2009 2:32 pm ET by Florida2

sawinsor's picture

(post #57153, reply #6 of 7)

Thanks - I'll have George check it out.

Gary's picture

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I think it's clear that diet can can alter the chemical composition of the body, both animal and human. The key question then is does ingesting those alterations have any effect on human health? I doubt if those studies have been done yet especially since we are still trying to define what is good and what isn't in a diet. The problem is that of interactions. A well known example is that of LDL and HDL. Levels of each are important, but so is the ratio. So I think that those who espouse the health benefits of grass-fed meat and touting the changes in meat composition are making great leaps in logic, without any supporting evidence, to positive effects on humans. Here is one study from 6 months ago:

"Although the fatty acid composition of grass-fed and conventionally fed beef was different, conclusions on the possible effects of these differences on human health cannot be made without further investigation."
Leheska JM, Thompson LD, Howe JC, Hentges E, Boyce J, Brooks JC, Shriver B, Hoover L, Miller MF. Effects of conventional and grass-feeding systems on the nutrient composition of beef. J Anim Sci. 2008 Dec;86(12):3575-85.

Texas Tech University, International Center for Food Industry Excellence and Department of Animal and Food Sciences, Lubbock 79409, USA.

The people who gave us golf and called it a game are the same people who gave us bag pipes and called it music and haggis and called it food.