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Geoffchef's picture

DW likes to take carrot sticks to work for lunch, so I try to keep the Tupperware thingie in the fridge full of them for her. Just finished chopping up some tapered orange cylinders from California that resembled carrots but tasted like sawdust, and wondered how much flavour might equate with nutrition.
If the sugars and other sapid elements have transmogrified so much over their 3000 mile journey that these things are virtually tasteless, what state can the vitamins and minerals be in? How do the ingredients that promote human health cope with the chemicals that keep veggies at least looking like they should over times and distances that reduce people travelling such spans by car to eating Cheez Strings and Snack Enz?
My theory is that if it tastes like cardboard it's probably about as good for you.
Disgust.
I mean - discuss.


 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #42 of 67)

Winnipeg has the distinction of being the coldest city in the world of over 1/2 million population. Average annual temp is 32F.

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

CookiM0nster's picture

(post #32532, reply #35 of 67)

It's the chinook - keeps us nice and toasty, well, comparatively.

Jean's picture

(post #32532, reply #14 of 67)

Are your farmers growing stuff in hot houses? Your climate isn't that different from ours and farmers in our area haven't even gotten their crops in. A few have some corn in, but with night time temps almost freezing, and daytime temps barely pushing 50, what do you think is going to happen to the seeds? We got enough rain in the last couple of days to raise the level on Lake Macatawa a foot!! The fields are super saturated. This spells


 r-o-t.


Are you sure they aren't importing stuff from Florida or Texas or CA??




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pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #16 of 67)

Yes I'm positive. In order to sell at our market they have to grow their own, bake their own or make their own. At the market tomorrow...asparagus, dry beans, lettuce, spinach, radishes, rhubarb, spring onions, morel mushrooms, fiddlehead ferns, cheese (a dizying variety including goat and sheep), maple syrup, eggs, bedding plants, baked goods, potatoes (from last year), bison, trout, pork, beef, poultry, eggs, herbs of all kinds, and from the greenhouses, cucumbers and tomatoes. And no the tomatoes are not great but they are better than the grocery store. Oh, and home made pasta!! And jams and jellies!! AND, heirloom variety tomato plants for your garden! I really am at my happiest when I am either in my own garden or at the market with all those lucious things. Pamilyn

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Jean's picture

(post #32532, reply #17 of 67)

Well, you know how jealous I am!  We loved wandering your market downtown.



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Glenys's picture

(post #32532, reply #19 of 67)

You probably don't know that I grew up on a farm and have been involved in growing and producing food since I was a child. My family farm is a few hours drive directly west of Geoff. Yes, truck farmers grow carrots and as I mentioned, people do stock up in the fall. Geoff isn't going to see a carrot until July from any local garden, it's just too cold to plant earlier. One could give up on carrots, but there's new crop organic carrots from California that are fine. I don't think tomatoes work that way, but a carrot is just fine.
Even though we live in a greenbelt of productive artisan growers and a climate that has us eating our own onions and lettuces already, it takes until June to see full development of varied produce, and that depends on NOT getting too much rain.
I paid $25 a lb. for morels yesterday. That hardly qualifies as a carrot alternative, and if we get more rain, they'll be gone. Sustainability has to be tempered with a broader look at harmonising some versions of seasonality with import and growing practices. I don't want a peach from Chile but if I can drive to Northern California and pick some great tiny beans or young squash, I just might. No, maybe I'll just send a truck.


Edited 5/12/2006 3:07 pm by Glenys

pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #25 of 67)

ITA, it's just that instead of looking for a carrot, why not eat radishes?, or lettuce?, or spinach?. We are just trying to get people to think a little differently. That's all. Really it's not different at all. Like you said, that's the way people have been eating for eon's. It really is only the last 100 years or so that things have changed and you can get food from all over. Remember when getting an orange for Christmas was a huge treat?


It's cool that you grew up on a farm. It really is great to see where your food comes from.


Do you think that had a huge impact on your career choice? Pamilyn


The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

Glenys's picture

(post #32532, reply #26 of 67)

ITA, it's just that instead of looking for a carrot, why not eat radishes?, or lettuce?, or spinach?."

Carrot may have been Geoff's example but the source of the other goodies is still the same, imported until the garden begins to produce.

pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #27 of 67)

Yes of course. I am not sure where Geoff is. Would he be getting the early stuff now or is it still too early?


So do you think growing up on a farm started you on your culinary path? Pamilyn


The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

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Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #41 of 67)

I am in Winnipeg, where we freeze our best brain cells the first winter here and are then too dumb to leave. I believe we are in Zone 3, but if you look at the zone map it takes a dip southward in central Canada because of the Canadian shield. The market gardeners don't plant their tomato seeds until April 15, and the May 24th long weekend is the traditional planting out date. Every year a few thousand locals are seduced by a couple of nice weekends and plant a week or two early, and the bedding plant purveyors love them to pieces because they know they will be back to buy everything again.
I did not mean to say that the new crop veggies here are boring, a fresh Manitoba tomato is a little piece of heaven, it's just that the selection is rather pedestrian.
You can get a few more interesting imported things in summer from a couple of specialty stores, but the prices are insane.
I don't think that anybody has given me a definitive answer to my original question yet. Has anyone scientifically determined how much nutrition is left in a carrot that spends 3 or 4 days in a truck?

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

ashleyd's picture

(post #32532, reply #43 of 67)

The answer seems to be that, assuming that there is no decay or spoilage and they are kept in reasonable conditions (less than 40F) they will lose minimal nutrients due to storage, certainly for periods of less than a week. The physical process of moving should not have any adverse effect.


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Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #45 of 67)

Thanks Ashley, that's good to know. So if I die from eating these pathetic excuses for vegetables it will be because my soul has starved for want of flavour, and my body has just followed slavishly along. ;-)

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #44 of 67)

WOW, I'm impressed. You guys must really cherish summer. Planting out date here is not much different from yours. May 15th. It sure doesn't get that cold here though. When we drove around lake Superior last fall we saw some of the Canadian Shield. Very impressive. We were in a little town that had a sign that said "coldest place on earth" I can't remember the name of it. It struck me on that trip how big, and how much wilderness Canada has. Really amazing. Pamilyn

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

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Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #46 of 67)

I revel in summer. I bask, I breathe deeply, I turn my face to the sun and grin like an idiot, I plunge my hands into the warm black soil, I roll in the grass, I drink summer like cool water in the desert. I get seriously grumpy in the fall.

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #47 of 67)

LOL, as well you should. Pamilyn

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

Syrah's picture

(post #32532, reply #50 of 67)

You poor darling. Does hydroponic gardening in a hot house help any? I'm afraid I have no concept of just how cold it gets for you.

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Glenys's picture

(post #32532, reply #51 of 67)

It's a relative "hotbed" of greenhouses here and ironically they would work very well in Manitoba (the sun makes for very efficient solar collection) but actually heating greenhouses would cost a fortune.
We have a huge industry here, which is also very controversial, that produces lettuce, peppers, herbs, tomatoes and cucumbers.
It's not hydroponic (that's another real cash crop here) but the plants are grown in a medium, not pesticides but ladybugs, but it can't receive an organic qualification because the plants are grown in soil.
Sadly, the tomatoes are very red but the hybrids have been developed for the Japanese fruit market and basically have no distinctive zing at all.

Syrah's picture

(post #32532, reply #54 of 67)

That's very interesting, thank you.

I think you have to take what you can get, and live with it in those sorts of circumstances.

I am feeling more and more blessed with the selection I have to choose from. I'm feeling particularly bad at how annoyed I was yesterday with the lebanese cucumbers. I was bending them to see if they were mushy and waterlogged and snapped a few by mistake!

"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off"
Gloria Steinem

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #62 of 67)

I keep thinking about a leanto greenhouse on the south side of my workshop, but it would be a season extender rather than a year round thing because of the heating costs Glenys mentioned. Another project for my retirement.

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

MadMom's picture

(post #32532, reply #55 of 67)

Glad to hear you enjoy summer so much.  What day does it usually fall on?  ;)



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Syrah's picture

(post #32532, reply #56 of 67)

Now that's just mean. ;-)

"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off"
Gloria Steinem

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

CookiM0nster's picture

(post #32532, reply #57 of 67)

but accurate!

MadMom's picture

(post #32532, reply #61 of 67)

Geoff knows I love him!  Besides, I stole that line from a Portland resident.  I was there one glorious day, and I had the temerity to ask how many wonderful days like that they had each year.  The reply was "this is it." 



Not One More Day!
Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

End the Occupation of Iraq -- Bring the Troops Home Now!

And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

Syrah's picture

(post #32532, reply #64 of 67)

I knew you were teasing.

"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off"
Gloria Steinem

"Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and, above all, confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something, and that this thing, at whatever cost, must be obtained." -Marie Curie

Geoffchef's picture

(post #32532, reply #63 of 67)

We actually had 27C one day in late April! So now it's cold and damp - got the showers/flowers thing a little mixed up.

 


ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


 

 

ADAM'S APPLE, n.
A protuberance in the throat of man, thoughtfully provided by Nature to keep the rope in place.
Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

 

CookiM0nster's picture

(post #32532, reply #58 of 67)

Pamilyn, I tried to check out www.reapfoodgroup.org but my browser says it doesn't exist. Are you sure that's the right link?
Our Farmer's market opens in a couple of weeks and I was thinking of passing some info and ideas from your group to some of the producers there.

elizaram's picture

(post #32532, reply #65 of 67)

Clicking the link in your post works for me.



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CookiM0nster's picture

(post #32532, reply #66 of 67)

Weird. It's working fine for me now too. There must have been a problem on my end.

Pamilyn - can you tell me more about the history of REAP? How did it get started?

pamilyn's picture

(post #32532, reply #67 of 67)

Click on the contact link. Miriam is the executive director and she can let you know. I am not sure. It is not a very old organization. This will be our 7th or 8th Food for Thought Festival. We are working on a cookbook that will be out 2008. Pamilyn

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

The purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls

Astrid's picture

(post #32532, reply #48 of 67)

I do believe that Eliot Coleman has tried to "save the carrot," the basis of this is his thesis on the advantages of supporting local market gardeners whose produce is closest to being from field to table. His soft cover book about hoophouses and market gardening in Maine goes into some details.

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Adopt the pace of nature; her secret is patience. Emerson

New Mexico home organic gardener Adopt the pace of nature; her secret is patience. Emerson