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I let my dough rish too much!

leonap's picture

I just read this somewhere and can't remember what it said or where I read it. If the indentation stays when you press your finger into it lightly, does that mean it's risen (rose?) too much? These loaves are twice the size of the last ones. I also had to move them to different pans since they were now touching so of course they deflated. If I let them rest for a few minutes, I should be okay, right? Anyone?

Gretchen's picture

(post #65219, reply #1 of 18)

I would punch them down and let rise again to the correct amount.  I don't touch them when in the pans (as making an indentation). I assume they have risen once and now are risingin the pans for baking?

Gretchen

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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #2 of 18)

That was their second rise. Had to move to different pans because they were touching, so I'm hoping that is equal to punching them down. They have already started rising, so keeping my fingers crossed. Will give them a few more minutes before baking. Thanks!

SallyBR1's picture

(post #65219, reply #3 of 18)

Ok, I found your post....

which recipe are you talking about? Is it commercial yeast or your own starter?

 


 


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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #4 of 18)

It is the Kruse and Muer bread I posted about last weekend. It is commercial yeast. I just put the first pan in the oven. They rose to about half of what they were.

leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #5 of 18)

See post 46939.24.

SallyBR1's picture

(post #65219, reply #6 of 18)

I went to the blog from where you got the recipe, I guess they made it in tiny little loaves?

I think you will be fine, probably lose a little of the oven spring, but should be edible... :-)

Please report back - I take it you are using a lot less salt this time?

 


 


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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #7 of 18)

Per Baking911.com I should have re-kneaded, formed and allowed to rise again. Oh well, they are flat but edible. Hey, I only sprinkled the tops lightly with kosher salt this time and they are still salty after scraping most of that off. Yes, they should be four small baguettes. These are longer, about twice as wide but half as tall as the first time I made them. The first time I baked all four on one half-sheet pan with plenty of room between.

I might as well 'fess up and admit that I messed with the recipe a bit. I subbed 1/4 cup unbleached AP flour to see how much it would lighten it up. Also, the recipe has you add the sugar, oil and salt all at once to the water and yeast. This time, I added the sugar alone and waited a couple of minutes before adding the oil and salt. The yeast foamed like crazy, but I still think this would have evened out during the course of the risings. Oh well, I will have to do one change at a time to pinpoint causes. At least from now on, I will know I need to re-knead should this happen again. Live and learn. Ramble over. Thanks for your help!

Gary's picture

(post #65219, reply #8 of 18)

An oversized load, a dent that doesn't disappear, and a loaf that collapses with baking are characteristics of overproofing. Rekneading and letting it rise again will just make it worse. You will develop the gluten too much and the flavor will be off because of the overproofing. The mistake you made is not adding the salt when you were supposed to. Salt slows down the growth of yeast. You fed it sugar and then delayed the addition of salt. Result was overproofing.

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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #10 of 18)

Well, I guess I will listen to the doctor! Thanks, Gary. It sure is nice having you around. I really didn't think that couple of minutes would have made a difference, but I only bake bread sporadically -- not often enough to really learn the what's and why's. I do occasionally learn from my mistakes though. Maybe this lesson will stick. :-)

leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #16 of 18)

Almost embarrassed to admit that I made this again today. Added salt at same time as sugar. Used all bread flour. Omitted exterior salt altogether, rolling only in poppy seeds. Did add 1 tsp. each dried oregano and basil to dough. This makes four loaves. DH and I devoured a whole one with dinner. Need I say more? Thanks for your help!

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(post #65219, reply #17 of 18)

LOL. You'd better not make a habit of that or you'll both need new wardrobes.


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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #18 of 18)

Ain't that the truth!

SallyBR1's picture

(post #65219, reply #9 of 18)

Well, confession is good for the soul....

don't you feel purified? If you go to the corner, MadMom will make sure you are good as new!

 


 


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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #11 of 18)

Ah yes, my sins are absolved! (if only!) Move over, MadMom! I'm bringing chocolate and flat bread!

MadMom's picture

(post #65219, reply #12 of 18)

Just hope the flatbread didn't rish too much, LOL!



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leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #13 of 18)

LOL! Didn't catch that one! My first thought was oh gosh, a new word, another joke I didn't get. Then I thought maybe a typo? Still didn't expect it to be in the name of the thread. Sheesh, I am doing that more and more.

People of certain sensibilities should not open:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rish

And no, I did not write the first definition!

MadMom's picture

(post #65219, reply #14 of 18)

Ohhhh my, you definitely need to come to the corner and have your sins rebuked!  Don't forget to bring bubbly and chocolates; we're running low!



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Not One More Dime! Not One More Life! Not One More Lie!

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And Take Care of Them When They Get Here!

leonap's picture

(post #65219, reply #15 of 18)

Snort. Sitting in the corner with other sinners doing penance eating chocolate and drinking bubbly suits my mood to a tee today! Scoot over!